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Bates Motel: Primer and Homebase
Welcome to the homebase for the A&E series, Bates Motel. Each week you'll find a thread for the newest episode, so we can discuss its twists and horrors together.
First, a primer.
Bates Motel is a modern day prequel to Hitchcock's Psycho, centering on Norman and his mother, Norma, as they move to the titular motel in a coastal Oregon town. Norma is hoping for a new start for herself and Norman after her husband's death, and buying and running the run-down motel is her plan. Of course, there are plenty of unforeseen complications, especially since the town has a touch of Twin Peaks strangeness and corruption to it.
I know what you're thinking. A Psycho prequel? Really? Two things should convince you to give the show a shot: its pedigree and its cast. Among others, the series is (executive) produced by Carlton Cuse (Lost) and Kerry Ehrin (Friday Night Lights). It both builds intrigue and mysteries while creating complex characters. And then it scares the crap out of you.
Cast/Characters (As of Season 2)
Vera Farmiga plays Norma Bates.
She's high-strung, cloying, yet honestly put-upon and sincerely caring. She's smart but vulnerable at times. You may not be able to stand her at all, and you may deeply sympathize with her, all within one episode.
Freddie Highmore plays Norman Bates.
Like Norma, you might feel sorry for Norman or be terrified or horribly creeped out by him in the space of a breath. Often he's simply a normal teenage boy by all appearances, crushing on girls, wanting his own space, sneaking out late at night. Buuut then there's the blackouts and weird stuff he keeps under his bed...
Max Thieriot plays Dylan Massett.
Dylan is Norma's other, older son, and Norman's half-brother. He's more of an outsider, and drifts into town and into their lives against Norma's wishes. He clashes with the family, especially when he urges Norman to live his own life, but he proves indispensable, too.
Olivia Cooke plays Emma Decody.
Emma is a smart, inquisitive girl in Norman's class who quickly develops an interest in him. She has cystic fibrosis and sees Norman's own strange health issues and outsider-y status as something akin to hers.
Nestor Carbonell plays Sheriff Alex Romero.
As sheriff, Romero and Norma butt heads as she struggles to accomplish what she wants with the motel and deals with, er, other complications. Given the town's penchant for ongoing shady activities, Romero is someone who is tough to read.
You can stream Season 1 episodes on Netflix, Amazon, and at the A&E site.
The second season begins Monday, March 3rd! Episodes air at
General Discussion
2.01 Gone But Not Forgotten
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What I appreciate in this show is that the mixture of the everyday and the awful are so well done. So, you have Norma teaching Norman how to drive a car and it goes about as well as parent-children driving lessons go (seriously, you don't have to be a member of the Bates clan for this to be a bad idea), and Norman passive-aggressively returning the favour, which is about as normal as it gets, while on the other hand you have that continuing ticking time bomb that consists of Norma's awareness he's killed before and of Norman's rage black outs and unability to remember, and Miss Watson's death in the s1 finale. Now, the show left it open last season whether or not Norman killed Miss Watson, though every sign was certainly pointing towards his doing it (except for the phone call he overheard); the s2 opener with Bradley attempting suicide in the teaser (when she definitely wasn't in a suicidal state in the s1 finale where we left her) still points this way (Norman has Blair Watson's pearls), but also suggests, via Bradley's reaction, the alternate possibility Bradley might have killed her. (Also, there's the parallel of the s1 opener where you're made to assume Norma killed her husband when it actually was Norman.) (I would add Gil to the list of suspects, but I doubt they'd have killed him off in this episode if he'd done it, and also, Bradley's attempted suicide would then be coming out of nowhere.) So my current guess is that Norman might not have killed Miss Watson after all but WILL kill Bradley before this season is over. Bradley killing Gil who she assumes killed her father and asking Norman for help in the cliffhanger also supports that theory for me.
Mystery man standing over Blair Watson's grave: probably has nothing to do with her death but has something to do with the local weed industry, which is one reason why Sheriff Romero smoothly changes the subject on Norman, correctly deducing Norman feels guilty himself. Romero continues to be a man of ambiguous mystery, and I enjoyed both his scene with Norman and his conversation with Norma afterwards.
Just one scene with Dylan and Norma, but it brings on the brittleness and push-pull of that other mother-son relationship; his attempting to pay rent and not just implicitly but explicitly admitting he wants to stay and her reaction were great. Incidentally, considering the by pass is about to happen, I assume Norma will be forced to accept the weed money soon. I do wonder whether she'll tell Dylan - aka the only other person currently aware of Norman's rage blackouts - what she's just found out re: Norman and Miss Watson. On the one hand, Norma is such a determined "we'll pretend this never happened and continue with our lives" denialist, otoh, she also has moments where she desperately needs to talk, and she hardly can tell Sheriff Romero.
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I assumed Bradley had killed Miss Watson after the opening, too, but by the end that appeared to me to be a red herring. She genuinely seemed not to have known that "B" was Miss Watson when she was told. It is still confusing how/why she came to be so distraught after the dance and jump off the bridge. However, I think you're right in that Norman could kill her by the end of the season; it doesn't matter if she in fact didn't kill Miss Watson, only that Norman thinks she did, and there will be plenty pointing that way (I'm thinking there could be conversations with Dylan, for instance). Also, I do think it could be Gil (or a lackey or phone guy from last season; have we met an "Eric" yet?) and all these narrative complications could still work.
Ah, Dylan. Most decent guy on the show despite working in the drug business?
I like that Emma is a bit more prickly with Norman (in her one scene) but still working at the motel. I loved her and Norma together last season.
Aaaand Norman gets more and more into taxidermy. I laughed a little at both Norma and Romero saying he needs to get out and be a normal teenager. Norma seems to have loosened the leash in that regard a little.
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No, we haven't met an Eric yet, unless it's the mystery man visiting Miss Watson's grave, but I suspect we will soon.
re: Norman eventually killing Bradley, another reason for assuming this is because he now knows she's killed someone. Not that he won't sympathize with her on the Gil/my-father's-killer matter, but he won't see her on a pedestal anymore as he used to, and that could be enough for his buddying psychosis in a moment of crisis, especially if he assumes she also killed Miss Watson.
Emma and Norma: loved them together last season, too. Emma basically was the only person in that town who didn't regard Norma as crazy and/or was sexually attracted to her and/or trying to exploit her, and while Norma originally had Norman-related and cover-up reasons for being nice to Emma, I think she came to genuinely like Emma. Hooray for friendly relations between two female characters! So yes, I'm glad Emma is still working at the motel.
Ah, Dylan. Most decent guy on the show despite working in the drug business?
Well, the competition for that title isn't great in that town, but based on the little we know I think Emma's father the taxidermist from Manchester might have first dibs. :) Seriously, though, I know what you mean. I wonder, though, what Dylan will do when his bosses tell him to hurt/kill someone?
I laughed a little at both Norma and Romero saying he needs to get out and be a normal teenager. Norma seems to have loosened the leash in that regard a little.
I think Norma having been mostly happy during those three months might have something to do with that. No more people putting dead bodies in her bed and threatening her (and her sons') life plus the motel finally getting (non-crazy) guests equalling a more relaxed Norma capable of giving Norman a bit more freedom, too. And then of course with Miss Watson dead and Bradley in the hospital the two people she felt competitive re: Norman about were not an issue anymore.
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When I rewatched the first season recently, that hug between Emma and Norma was one of my favorite things. Good point about Emma being an exception as far as how people in town were treating Norma.
I thought perhaps Dylan would be faced with the sort of orders and decision you mention in this episode, with Bradley. I still think that could happen, that he'll be forced to "deal with" Bradley violently. And his relationship with Norman will get tangled up in that.
2.02 Shadow of a Doubt
My first thought is that the episode title is the name of a Hitchcock movie, like Psycho. Coincidence?!
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Other thoughts: Last week I was wondering what Dylan would do once his drug bosses start asking him to kill people. This week we get part of an answer, as Bradley shooting Gil is mistaken for a gang murder resulting in White Pine getting its very own drug war, and Dylan finds himself holding the guy one of his bosses shoots in retaliation. Since you don't peacefully quit the drug business, if I were Dylan, I'd leave town immediately after that one and start anew far, far away, but of course he won't because his loved-hated family is here.
Meanwhile, Norman helps Bradley first hide and then leave town. (Sidenote: which means that for now, Bradley's survival odds have suddenly become far, far better, but I have the suspicion she will return for the season finale, or something. If not, I wish her well. She wasn't my favourite, but I like her well enough, and do wish she survives.) This is Norman at his best, since it is genuinely selfless; as far as he knows, he won't see Bradley again, so he doesn't do it in the hope she'll finally return his crush, and when things come to a crisis, he even swallows his pride and asks Dylan for help despite his jealousy caused by the Dylan/Bradley flirting. At the same time, the show never lets us forget there is this other side to Norman, as Norma finds Miss Watson's pearls (as she once found the belt of the man who raped her and whom she and Norman killed) under Norman's bed, which screams trophy.
The episode had some terrific Norma and Norman scenes, showcasing their relationship in both its deep dysfunctionality and its charm. The scene where Norma cajoles Norman into singing "Mr. Sandman" with her is on one level two people having fun (and Norma's very Norma-esque idea of combatting her son's potential serial killer tendencies via shared singing actually paying off), and on another Norma manipulating Norman into something he didn't want to do (which of course heightens his sense if being trapped). Both are true. Ditto for the community musical auditioning, quite aside of Norman being under pressure because it means he can't personally help Bradley and needs Dylan to fill in. Norma is both utterly sincere in her "I'm so scared" outburst - the possibility that her son might develop into a monster scares the hell out of her - and she's using a real emotion for manipulation at the same time (getting Norman to stay). Similarly, Norman is being utterly sincere in his outburst about how much of their lives are intertwined already and how they don't need any MORE shared time, how he resents Norma making him go along with her ideas all the time, and he's using this as an excuse because he's still trying to get home to help Bradley at that point. And when he's giving in and remaining for the rest of the audition, it's to placate Norma (and distract her from her fears re: his potentially having murdered Miss Watson), but once he does hear Norma sing that song from Cabaret, the amazement and adoration for her are palpable and he really wants to be there.
Incidentally, Maybe this time is of course the perfect song for Norma and so very her. Also, part of the Bates tragedy is that with all her desperation to help Norman, the one thing that would probably help (and thus eventually save her own life), a good psychiatrist and lots of therapy, is the one thing she is shying away from, because Norma with her own broken background of a physically abusive father, a sexually abusive brother and at least one physically abusive husband distrusts any authority figures far, far too deeply to consider it.
Sheriff Alex "Still Morally Ambiguous as hell" Romero might be an exception to that, given he came through in the Abernathy situation, but he's not a therapist. In this episode, he eventually decides to pin Blair Watson's murder on a scum-of-the-earth type who may or may not be involved but did have sex with the late Miss Watson, on the rationale that a) the guy may not have killed Miss Watson, but he did kill a previous girlfriend and should have been locked up a long time ago, and b) Romero really needs a culprit for the Watson murder, what with an impending drug war at his hand. (There's another irony: if Romero would have investigated further, he might have discovered that Norman at the very least was on the crime scene and thus saved Norman's future victims.) Nestor Carbonnel has a lot more to do this season and obviously enjoys the part, and I enjoy him playing it.
And in the cliffhanger tag scene, we have a new arrival in town who is none other than Norma's brother. Aka the one who raped her from the time she was 13 years old onwards. Him showing up this season was the only thing I was spoiled for, but even if I had managed to avoid this particular spoiler it wouldn't have completely surprised me because the revelation in the s1 finale demanded some follow up. Now, it would surprise me if he were to survive the season, but I hope whatever will happen won't include another rape before that. (Enough of those last season.) I also wonder whether he'll turn out to be Dylan's biological father, as opposed to Norma's first husband, because that would make sense in terms of the different type of dysfunctionality the Norma and Dylan relationship has. But if he is, I'm 100% sure Dylan has no idea, considering the only one whom Norma ever told the truth about her family was Norman on the day where she expected to die. However, this particular skeleton in the family cupboard looks like it's going to explode in the open soon.
Lastly: I do hope Emma gets more screentime next episode!
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that thought about Norma's brother being Dylan's father. Once I saw who they cast and saw what I figured might be an intended resemblance my mind went there. I'm wondering if some people were already thinking that at the end of last season.
Once again my favorite scene is a Norma scene: how perfect was she singing "Maybe This Time"? I didn't know Vera Farmiga could sing. I teared up and everything.
Your description of Norma and Norman's dysfunctional relationship, and Norma's reactions in particular, speaks to my favorite thing about the show, and I can't imagine any other actors pulling off these roles and that relationship so well. I hadn't thought about Norman's acquiescence serving as a distraction from Norma's suspicions. Like they're both distracting one another from the same thing. I'm not sure it's possible for Norma to be dissuaded from her notion, but Norman doesn't know what she knows (about what happened to his father). At least there's relief since Romero arrested someone for it, lol.
Dylan's (relative) good guy status does seem to be holding up so far. Maybe his uncle will test that?
I liked Bradley, too. I know the actress is leaving for another project but could certainly return (they didn't kill her anyway!). I thought they handled things a little strangely with her in the pilot to get her to where they needed her to leave and start this drug war storyline, but the note she left Norman was sweet (if, you know, darkly ironic).
I look forward to more Emma, too.
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Maybe this Time was perfect for Norma. And Vera Farmiga was couragous - which paid off - to sing it without any musical support. Having no piano or another instrument made the song sound even more intense and vulnerable.
I do wonder whether it would make a difference to Norman if Norma told him the truth about his father. But probably not.
re: Dylan and his uncle: I'm very curious. Unlike Norman, Dylan doesn't know what the man did, so unless Norman or Norma tell him and unless the guy behaves badly towards him, it's entirely possible Dylan might see him as an ally at first. Depending on how smart and manipulative the man is, he could even try to use Dylan's old resentments against Norma, growsing about how she leaves her family behind without warning, marries jerks, etc., or he could claim that she was their father's favourite so Dylan identifies with him, seeing them both as neglected older brothers.
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2.03 Caleb
Norma's brother comes to town...
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It says something about this show that when we meet new characters who are nice to Norma and Norman respectively, we immediately have to wonder what their sinister secret and agenda will be. Mind you, my current guess is that redheaded stagehand with gay pal who was nice to Norman might just be a normal teenager, whereas Christine the redheaded former casting director of the community theatre clearly is living really well with her husband, which in this town translates as: is involved with the drug business. So I'm assuming the other shoe will drop soon, though poor Norma, she was so delighted to be befriended by her. Jury is still out on
VaughnVartan's character, if only because the last few men hitting on Norma were villains, so surely the show wouldn't do this to her again?Never mind the people who were nice to two third of the leading family, though, because the big sinister guest star wasn't any of them. They cast Norma's brother Caleb really well, because not only was there physical similarity to Dylan but the actor was very good at the hail-fellow-well-met bluff harmlessness projection that guaranteed Dylan would believe him and want him as a family member. He also, like the best liars, used a truth - their father used to beat Norma and Caleb - to make Dylan swallow the lie (that this was the reason why Norma reacted to Caleb's arrival with such horror). I had expected Caleb to draw Dylan in but I hadn't expected the literal con at the same time (i.e. that money for "a hotel in Puerto Rico"), which explains why he shows up at all. (And the timing couldn't be worse. However this ends up, Dylan is now newly out of cash and the prospects he'll be able to quit his job in the rapidly escalating drug war are now less than zero.) By the way, I had speculated about the final revelation before, but when Norma the first time Dylan asked her about her brother didn't tell him anything (which btw was a heartrendering scene, both for the way he was practically pleading to be trusted with what was going on inside her and for the knowledge why she couldn't), I was sure. It didn't make the scene when the truth did come out less devastating. Starting with the fact Dylan doesn't believe Norma and accuses her of lying to him in order to hurt him. Not that Norma isn't a liar on occasion, but her lies are usually designed to cover up horrors, to pretend things are better than they actually are. Her biggest lies, as Dylan has reason to know, are also to protect people. It occurs to me that her previous silence about her brother, the rapes and who really fathered Dylan even when relations between her and Dylan were at their worst and he called her a whore in the past are a parallel to her silence about Norman having killed his father even when both Norman and Dylan basically accused her of doing it.
Norman coming in the middle of the Dylan-Norma argument makes everything worse, of course, though then again: the Norman/Dylan fight escalated things to the point where Norma in order to separate them screams out the rest of the secret, and at this point I don't think anyone will be in denial any more. I also felt tremendously sorry for the three of them in their dysfunctional love for each other and brokenness.
Minor other plot points:
- if Nick Ford is Miss Watson's father, was Blair Watson her married name then? or was she illegitimate?
- was there even a Mr. Masset or did Norma just pretend there had been pre-marrying Sam Bates?
- poor Emma. Also, Emma is such a real character, and the teenagers on this show, other than looking far better (and older) than actual teenagers, are pretty realistic too. Feeling guilty about Bradley's supposed suicide precisely because they weren't friends and Emma was jealous, and trying to organize a memorial get together which inevitably becomes a beach party is just what would happen.
- how DOES one stop an escalating drug war where each side is convinced the other started it and both have killed too many to even care if they find out otherwise?
- Michael Vartan was pretty one note for the most part of Alias, but he does pull off the charming stranger bit here.
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I also wondered about Dylan's supposed father. My guess is that there was a Mr.Masset, but I can't remember if something was said about him last season.
I could not even remember who Nick Ford was when I saw him. I just knew I recognized him!
I love Emma, too, and was glad to see pot brownie boy again, lol. I look forward to getting to know this new girl and what her deal with her dad is (that seemed weird).
How lovely did Norma/Vera look in that dress with the pink shawl? And the whole time I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, too. Like you, I wouldn't be surprised if her new friend was involved with the drug trade, especially given that one particular guest at the end, but I also thought about something that might be linked to the bypass? I don't know.
I only enjoyed Vartan as Vaughn when Vaughn occasionally went "dark," so I wouldn't mind that. :) At the same time, it would be nice if Norma had a break. But then it wouldn't be Bates Motel.
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Yes indeed. Norma must have been, what, 17 when she had him, coming directly from a home with a brutal father and a rapist brother; no good odds for balanced motherhood even without the additional factor that Dylan was the product of that abuse. It explains to him why she was different with Norman - who had a different father, came to be by her choice, and whom she had when she was older - but as you said, it doesn't resolve anything. I'm also reminded of one of the earliest s1 episodes, it might even have been Dylan's introduction episode, where he taunts her about Norman and she defends herself and says "we love each other; this is normal, this is how a mother and son should be, not this", i.e. her and Dylan, but of course both of her relationships with her sons are screwed up, and Norma has never experienced anything "normal" to compare them to, and yet they're all three trying so hard.
And I felt bad for Norma when Dylan won't believe her about the rapes, though there's a look in his eye where I wondered if maybe he kind of did believe but was in denial.
Not to be believed about something as major as this has to be every abuse victims worst nightmare (and of course confirms a life long habit of not telling anyone for Norma). I think the problem for Dylan was twofold: both because Caleb had seemed to him like the relation he always wanted, someone who wants similar things, who understands, and because he identified with him (behold, someone else whom Norma has run away from without leaving a forwarding address! And one of Dylan's reasons for showing up in her house had been because he was broke, let's recall). And with Norma and her sons, there is always a certain subtext. So in addition to everything else, for her to make that accusation about a man he identifies with was probably like some nightmare about his own subconsious goings on getting ripped open. So it couldn't be true. Presumably he would have believed her if she'd told him the first time he asked, but I can understand why she didn't. She told Norman only on an evening where she thought she might die, and then her brother was far away and not at her doorstep. In addition to everything else, she had to be scared as hell.
I also wondered about Dylan's supposed father. My guess is that there was a Mr.Masset, but I can't remember if something was said about him last season.
Me neither, other than Dylan accusing Norma of leaving his father for Sam Bates. But depending on when she's supposed to have done that, he might simply assume as opposed to remember. I mean, I can see a panicked pregnant Norma marrying the first guy who came along and seemed likeable just in order to get away from home in a way that would make it impossible for her father and brother to take her back... only then later to find out that the marriage doesn't work. But I can also see Norma leaving town on her own, arrive somewhere else with a baby and a new name and pretend to be a divorced woman. What makes me assume there was a Mr. Masset is that Dylan obviously had no curiosity about who his father might be; he must have been sure he knew.
How lovely did Norma/Vera look in that dress with the pink shawl?
Very. They dress her in this 50s/early 60s type clothes which is a great homage to Psycho as well as fitting the character and the actress superbly.
It occurs to me that since Nick Ford heads one of the two major drug operations in town - presumably the one Dylan ISN'T working for - there'll be a connection between those storylines soon. Unfortunately, I also suspect Caleb must have deduced there is one likely reason why Dylan had that much money available and decides to stay and work for the local drug trade as well, just because that's the worst case scenario for the family. And then it's an open guess as to tries to kill him first.
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In conclusion, I'm really confused by "if Norma isn't lying again" reactions on this particular issue.
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All the points you bring up make sense too, especially the therapist. I also think about her scar and the way she touches it in this episode.
Norma's actually not a good liar, and when she's being manipulative, we can see right through it, and so does Dylan (and even Norman). When you watch that scene in the kitchen at the end of this episode, there's nothing but honest emotion, and I think it kills Norma to have to say what she does.
The only alternative I can imagine others might be suggesting here, is if it was consensual incest and she's ashamed. But I still don't buy that for all the reasons we've discussed.
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Norma's actually not a good liar, and when she's being manipulative, we can see right through it, and so does Dylan (and even Norman).
Yes. That's why Romero suspected her from the start re: the guy she killed (but also why he knew she didn't make the threat by Abernathy up). I think the most successful major lie we've seen Norma pull off was covering up what happened to her husband, and that one wasn't believed by Dylan (though he came to the wrong conclusion regarding her reason for lying at first), and Norman only half bought it. Otherwise, she's only succesfully lying when people don't know her, and even then - I doubt, for example, that the gynacalogist bought the "oh, I'm talking about my sister" excuse.
When you watch that scene in the kitchen at the end of this episode, there's nothing but honest emotion, and I think it kills Norma to have to say what she does.
Everyone is so raw in that scene. And it's so clear she never ever wanted Dylan to know.
The only alternative I can imagine others might be suggesting here, is if it was consensual incest and she's ashamed. But I still don't buy that for all the reasons we've discussed.
*nods* I could see Norma being ashamed of a backstory of consensual incest, too, but then she wouldn't have responded with such stark fear and horror when she saw her brother in the kitchen.
Incidentally, I think some people also assume that rape is only rape if you fight back and literally have to be held down all the time. Whereas especially in family situations like Norma's, the emotional force often is enough, i.e. the victim is told that this is okay, this is the right of the perpetrator, and if she/he doesn't let it happen they're being disobedient/disloyal/a traitor etc. Note that Caleb says to Dylan that Norma was "such a trusting little girl". (Ugh.)
Speaking of the rape in the pilot: Norma's absolute conviction that nobody would believe her of if they did would blame her if as Norman first suggested they'd tell the police makes me wonder whether she tried that, as a girl, and nobody did believe her then, or blamed her.
Something else, though: the one thing both Norma (in her confession to Norman) and her brother said when talking about their childhood was that their father was physically abusive to both of them, so I'm assuming that's true. What do you want to bet that one of them ended up killing him? Because there's no mention of him being alive.
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I would not be surprised if Norma and Caleb's father was killed by one of them, and my money would be on Caleb. My impression of Norma given events last season (asking Dylan for a gun so she could protect herself but clearly being very nervous about the follow-through) is that she's never killed anyone.
2.04 Check-Out
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I'm starting to lose sympathy for Dylan, my friends. Yes, it's a terrible shock to find out you're the product of a) incest and b) rape. But one would think even shocked person is aware that being the victim of a) incest and b) rape is even worse. Instead, Dylan sees himself as the only victim here, continues to treat Norma as the bad guy and to blame her for the entire thing, and gives her brother the benefit of the doubt. Note that even when confronting Caleb, Dylan is avoiding the word "rape" and instead says "you had sex with my mother"; later he tells Norma outright that she didn't get raped and blames her for the incest and for not aborting him, for "using me" to get out of her house and "trapping" a high school boyfriend into marriage instead. This is really revolting victim blaming and rape culture at its worst, and reeling from shock & having had a troubled relationship with your mother before that only excuses so much.
It's also a marked contrast to Norma's own behavior. To be fair, I'm sure there were times in the past where Norma looked at Dylan and saw her brother instead of the child whose fault it was not, but in the present, Norma isn't doing that; instead, she's being as gentle with him as we've ever seen her, and in their last confrontation sums it up when saying that neither of them was to blame for what Caleb did. Dylan having issues with Norma in general is understandable, but that he's so willing to blame her instead of feeling at least for the girl she was if he can't for the woman she is, instead blaming her, that I find hard to forgive.
Norman of course carries it to the other extreme. Not only does he side with Norma but he internalizes her. The show had Norman hallucinate Norma before when going into one of his blackouts, but this is the very first time we've seen her literally becoming her (or his version of her), and it's in a tragic irony that he does so in order to do what the real Norma could not, confront her brother and accuse him point blank. It was an incredibly creepy and effective scene when Norman started to speak in the first person as Norma, even before he pulled the Psycho-iconic knife. Of course, he's still a boy while Caleb is a man, so Caleb easily disarms him. (Adding a kick while Norman is down. Last week when I checked the media reviews I was stunned to discover several were uncertain whether or not Norma was telling the truth, because that Caleb was just such a nice rational guy, I suppose, as opposed to "hysterical", mean Norma. I do hope the way Caleb responded in this scene settled that, but then again: rape culture.)
It was also fascinating that earlier, Norman while still himself couldn't go through with attacking Caleb by rebar as Cody had suggested, and I do wonder whether this is because he's semi aware/afraid by now that he might be more than capable of such violence in his blackout states. After all, Dylan gave him a heavy hint early in the episode. In terms of where Norman is headed, him becoming Mother for the first time in order to punish someone who had hurt her so badly is one of those twists that completely work and which you still didn't see coming.
Meanwhile: Emma's plotline with her weed-consuming admirer becomes downright endearing as he turns out to be a decent guy who doesn't want to have sex with passed out girls and doesn't expect her to reward him for being a nice guy, either. Also, he really seems to appreciate her. I find myself warming up to this pairing.
The escalating drug war just turned up yet another notch as despite Alex Romero's warning Dylan's idiotic new boss decides to move on to torching houses. However, Romero tends to follow up on his warnings, so I am confident the idiot won't be around for much longer.
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This episode was a lot about being on the inside or outside (or feeling that way). Emma points out how close she's been with Norma, Norman, and Dylan when she asks what's going on (and later she notes that Norma won't like Cody), but Norman ends up telling Cody more than he does her. Dylan of course understands why he's been on the "outside" of the family his whole life, but I thought it was interesting that he hints at what Norman doesn't know about himself--something Norma confided in Dylan. I suppose you could also extend the inside/outside theme to Norma and White Pine Bay society. And, ultimately, Norman goes so inside he internalizes and becomes Norma.
"The truth" seems to be the dividing line for who's inside and who feels left out (who knows it and who doesn't) and also prevents people from seeing truth (in the case of Dylan). I thought this episode was really heart-wrenching all around (except for the nice contrast of Emma and Gunner, which is still mixed up in Emma's different view of her mortality).
I feel bad for both Norma AND Dylan. We've been living with the idea of what happened to Norma since the season one finale. But this is literally the day after Dylan's learned who Caleb really is. He's lived his life feeling excluded from this family without knowing why (and now we know why, although we might have guessed). He meets a family member he's never known about who confirms his view of his mother and is, as Dylan says, nicer to him than Norma generally is (this episode, when Norma's at her most tender, tucking Dylan in, he's passed out and doesn't witness her tenderness). He gets this bomb dropped on him, but when he sees Caleb again, after he says "You had sex with my mother," note that after that he says, "You MADE her have sex with you." Note also that this is the way that Norma first expressed things to Norman when she told him. Then there's this weird thing where Caleb is genuinely surprised to hear Dylan say he's his son and proclaims that it wasn't "exactly" like that, and Norma got pregnant by her high school boyfriend, whom she married. Dylan asks if he's calling his mother a liar, and Caleb says no. He gives him the money back, which indeed makes it at least seem like he wasn't grifting him.
Later when Norma asks to talk (something Dylan had asked to do before), it reads to Dylan like another instance of Norma thinking about herself as she asks him not to make things harder for her than they already are. She tells him to be strong and put it behind him, which is the Norma way of dealing with things. To be fair, it does feel here like she's not expressing how big a deal this is for him or not understanding why he can't "put it away" as she's had to do all these years. When Norma brings up that Caleb is a bad person and just wanted money, of course it's the perfect opportunity for Dylan to rationalize that he's not since he gave the money back (honestly, I'm still not sure why Caleb did or if this was partially his intent or if he just wanted to wash his hands of everything, surprised that Norma told and/or has a different way of seeing things).
In the final confrontation, Dylan does seem to be sticking with Caleb's version of the story to start, calling it Norma's "mess." She reiterates that she was raped, and he says Caleb has a different version. Norma says that's because Caleb didn't know; she never told anyone. And this is the moment when Dylan asks why she had him, which is heart-stopping. He lays out the theory that she "got knocked up" by Caleb (and this wording neither contests or affirms that he believes he raped her) and let her boyfriend think it was his so she could get out of the house (to escape her father or her father AND Caleb?). He feels he was used before he was even born; to him, this is behavior typical of Norma. In a phrase we've heard before during this episode, Norma says it "wasn't like that" and tearfully explains how young and powerless she was, and Dylan tears up too. I noticed that she's not denying the basic premise of what Dylan has said, just the idea of maliciously, selfishly using him. And of course that it was neither Dylan's fault nor hers. Dylan storms out, upset, before we know what he thinks now. Basically, I think he's fucked up and confused, and I get that.
So, yeah, it's a tragedy all around. I see them both as victims in this--Norma says it herself.
I feel like there are A LOT of scenes with Norma getting dressed and one of her sons walking in, hm?
Katy Perry's "Roar": priceless.
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You make a good case for Dylan (and also the timing, i.e. it's still not 24 hours of finding out for him). I would like to point out, though, that in terms of Caleb being nicer to him than Norma generally is that this is a two way road. Obviously Norma must have started it back in Dylan's childhood, but when we first see them interact on the show in s1, it is Dylan who is dealing out the insults and making the accusations (while Norma counters with passive-aggressiveness and sometimes open hostility, but most of their early s1 scenes typically go: Dylan: strolls in, makes insullt, usually either about Norma's sex life or her clinginess with Norman; Norma: seethes, snaps back. She doesn't initialize). When they change their behaviour towards each other mid season after Shelby and the revelaton about Sam Bates, it is, again, a two way road: both of them start to treat the other differently. Norma starts conversations with Dylan, Dylan tries to help by bringing guests to the motel, neither of them pokes at the other, and it culminates with her openly asking him for help in the form of teaching her how to use a gun and the gun lesson, which is probably their closest moment to date. What I'm getting at here is that while I think Dylan's early s1 default mode of insulting Norma was probably the result of wanting attention (and even negative attention is attention) and figuring out this was one way to get it from her as a teenager, it still makes "he's been nicer to me than you ever were" a bit disingenious. Dylan didn't call Caleb a whore or told him he was crazy or insinuated Caleb must have killed his spouse during those two conversations they had before the big reveal. (Just as a point of comparison, Christine could probably describe Norma as one of the nicest people in the town based on their three or so encounters - during none of which she's seen Norma in attack mode, or Norma in possessive manipulative mode with Norman, nor Norma rejecting emotional overtures - because there were no situations yet where Norma would showcase her darker side, and because Christine has been consistently nice to Norma during those few encounters.) So for Dylan to compare Caleb's and Norma's behavior towards him, leaving aside "two or three meetings versus a life time", he'd have had to stroll into Caleb's motel room, declare he's moving in complete with sexual insult and barely veiled threat that he knows there is something fishy about the death of Caleb's hypothetical late spouse and he'll tell that to the local authorities.
Moving away from Dylan for a moment, and on to Caleb, do I think the fatherhood factor was news to him? Entirely possible, especially if Norma, as she later says, didn't tell him back then. It's also entirely possible he convinced himself she wanted to have sex with him; a lot of rapists do. But if Norma was 13 when it started (which is the age she names in her conversation with Norman), there is no way Caleb, who doesn't strike me as mentally handicapped, would have been unaware that she wasn't in a position to give meaningful consent even under the best of circumstances, which theirs were not. (I'm reminded of Samantha Greimer, Roman Polanski's victim, also 13 when she got raped, who when describing the whole encounter said she does believe he didn't think of it as rape. But she's equally clear on that this was exactly what it was.) And the phrase he himself used to describe young Norma to Dylan in their bar conversation - "a trusting little girl" - doesn't even sound as if he has mentally cast her as Lolita.
Re: the "why did you have me?" In retrospect, two things are very striking to me there - on the one hand, Dylan's self loathing expressed by the question, but on the other, also that the question reveals he thinks of Norma as she is now, an adult woman capable to make informed choices and to think things through (well, in a Norma way), to make calculations. It is understandable because most children (adult or not) do that, they cast their parents as adults a generation older because that was their experience. But when Norma got pregnant, she was a panicked teenager in a horrible situation with absolutely no one's help. Younger than Norman or Bradley. But until he's had more time to process, I suppose, he won't be able to consider that.
2.05 The Escape Artist
Re: 2.05 The Escape Artist
During the last week, it had occured to me that considering his house got just burned down, Sheriff Romero might move into the Bates Motel for a while, and lo and behold, he did, which was great to see and offered the chance for more scenes between him and Norma, each of which was golden. They were last season, too, but the emotional power has somewhat shifted, due to Norma not being desperately afraid anymore (well, not of Romero, anyway) and Alec Romero being somewhat rattled due to having an escalating drug war in town. Which makes for more equality and I must admit that somewhere around the time she bossed him into letting her disinfect his cuts, I realized I ship them a little. Not least because he hasn't made any attempt to blackmail her into anything so far and he's so openly morally ambiguous, unlike Vartan's character where you're waiting for the other shoe to drop. Also, there's definitely chemistry, and she's relaxed enough around him now to tease him into a smile. Mind you, given the looming Psycho future I should not wish for anything, because it would mean Romero would end up dead (and that relationship could even become the ultimate trigger for Norman), but still. They're just great fun to watch together.
Meanwhile, we find out what Nick Ford, aka one of the two big drug lords in town, wants from Norma, which is a facade for a move gainst the bypass. (What Ford has against the bypass, I don't know, considering that the drug trade would presumably benefit, too, but I guess we'll find out.) While what he asks Norma to do - file an injunction based on an environmental assessment he's had prepared - is a seemingly harmless and even smart move from her pov, it is of course just the first step and makes her beholden to him. Not to mention that before the episode is over, she finds out via Romero the city councilman who was the leader of Team Bypass just got killed, which is a drastic illustration (in case one is needed after Romero's warning) just what her new ally is capable of. (Something Norma is not yet aware of is that in addition to being a drug lord, Nick Ford is also the father of the late Blair Watson. I wonder whether Norman still has those pearls in the house? Because Nick Ford is bound to recognize them.)
Norma meets Cody, and it's mutual dislike on first sight, which was to be expected. (Though to be fair, even less neurotic parents than Norma would have objected to Cody's behaviour.) What was more interesting that Norma's slight detour in her conversation about Cody with Norman late in the episode - that line about girls trapped in unbearable circumstances being doomed and taking others with them - is an obvious self reference/projection. Now the audience knows, though Norma does not, that Cody does, in fact, live in an at least emotionally abusive domestic situation, due to the scene with her father. Which makes Norma's and Cody's mutual objections to another among other things a case of "takes one to know one", which in a different way is also true for Norman's and Cody's being drawn to another (which otherwise would happen a little to fast for me to believe it). I do wonder when the other shoe is going to drop with the Cody situation, though not for Norma's reasons but because if Norman had a functional sexual relationship, he would presumably get through his hangups before they become murderous (if they haven't already), and he wouldn't have his Psycho ending. Which means Norman telling Cody that he had previous blackouts will probably come back to haunt him instead of being therapeutic.
Given what an idiot Dylan's immediate superior was, it should have been obvious the reason why he had his position was that he was related to someone higher ranking. Dylan saving his life not in a small part to being in a suicidal mood results in Dylan finally meeting the head of the drug organisation he works for, who turns out to be the idiot's sister as well as the Overlady of that particular cartel. Which, as I said, was a refreshing twist; we already had enough evil powerful men in town. Of course, this will involve Dylan even deeper in the ongoing escalating drug war, while Norma has just gotten involved with Nick Ford (whom I don't see taking an "okay, that was that, bye, Nick" for an answer). Sheriff Romero undoubtedly will follow through with his threat that this was just the beginning to the idiot after having beaten up same, which considering the idiot is the Overlady's brother will put him on the hitlist of Dylan's organisation. And there's the ongoing ticking time bomb of the Norman-and-Miss-Bates open question. In short: the plot thickens, indeed.
In other news: the scene between Emma and Norma was lovely. Emma does bring out the best in Norma, possibly because a) they're not related, and b) Emma also doesn't remind Norma of herself, but it still made me wonder what kind of mother Norma would have been to a daughter.
Re: 2.05 The Escape Artist
When Norma warns Norman about Cody and "the wrong sort," in addition to the projection, I also found it ironic given the sort she's unwittingly gotten involved in. Though at this point, what with the happenings of last season, how could she be surprised?
I love all Emma and Norma's scenes. Most Heartbreaking of this episode goes to Emma asking Norma what first times are like. Yikes. I'm personally waiting for the other shoe to drop with Gunner, given his work, but desperately wanting happiness for Emma.
About a second before Cody goes into her house I called alcoholic dad. It's an interesting twist that even if Cody and Norma share a crap childhood, Cody certainly has a different way of dealing with things that seems more head on. When Norman says he feels safe with her (which IS awesome), I don't know if it's to do with Norma or with Cody's overt toughness. She is someone that he immediately trusted, and he doesn't need to protect her. But who knows what will happen here.
That scene between Norma and Romero was very shippy, wasn't it? The way he looks at her for a moment definitely expresses interest.
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Indeed. And I think if he hadn't been getting laid right then, Norman would have answered had he seen who was on the phone.
Though at this point, what with the happenings of last season, how could she be surprised?
Other than being the Queen of Denial, I think she is aware of what Dylan said a few episodes ago, everyone in this town is somehow involved in the drug business, but tries to ignore it. Or perhaps even tells herself that her livinghood depends on the bypass not happening, and as long as Nick Ford doesn't ask anything bad or illegal (which he didn't), it's okay to ally with him. The fact that she brings his name up to Romero to begin with shows that whatever she tells herself, it doesn't completely shut up an inner warning, though alas, she asks the sheriff after, not before.
. Most Heartbreaking of this episode goes to Emma asking Norma what first times are like. Yikes.
I just found a great description of this scene at the AV Club review:
It’s a wonderful scene, and a great example of how smartly the show use subtext to create strange, contradictory feelings. On the one hand, there’s Emma, who has her head in the right place, is a bit nervous about sex, but is making choices for herself and stands chance of being a part of something really healthy and satisfying. On the other hand, you have Norma, who was repeatedly raped by her brother as a child, and who gave birth to her brother’s son. Norma doesn’t have any happy memories of her first sexual experience, and Farmiga plays the exchange so well that you can’t ignore the fact that Emma’s questions (meant innocently) are bringing back some ugly memories, memories that have been swirling around ever since her brother’s brief appearance back into her life. But at the same time, it’s still possible to be excited for Emma, and to appreciate how Norma manages to give her sensible advice without letting things get too weird. I’ve seen plenty of shows do the “younger woman asks older woman for dating/sex advice,” but few that managed to maintain both the optimism of the younger woman and the direct knowledge of the suffering of the older without contradicting either. It’s kind of remarkable to watch.
She is someone that he immediately trusted, and he doesn't need to protect her.
Which I can see being appealing in itself, after Bradley emotionally going to pieces and of course with the ongoing high wire situation at home. Also, she took care of him when finding him at his most vulnerable (also his most dangerous, but neither of them knows that yet). So that marks her as a protector. Mind you, it just occured to me that Norman told Cody not about the rape but he did tell her about Norma's brother frightening her and being "bad". Can you imagine if Cody - with her bluntness - brings that up to Norma?
On the other hand: having sex with a guy who just told you he has repeated blackouts during which he doesn't remember what he's been doing is, well, just this side of self destructive... OR: maybe Cody hopes Norman will help her against her father the way she was willing to help him against his uncle? OR: even darker: maybe she needs a fall guy. (Theoretically, if Norman should wake up next to her father's dead body, how would he know this wasn't another blackout?) I hope not, of course.
That scene between Norma and Romero was very shippy, wasn't it? The way he looks at her for a moment definitely expresses interest.
You could see him thinking "you may be high strung and this side of crazy and generally a mess, but damm, you ARE a gorgeous woman". In addition to being shippy, it also was funny - one of the great things about the show is that with all the darkness of its themes, it also has this great sense of humour. And Norma being nostalgic about hitting the real estate agent with her bag in response to Romero beating up a drug lord was a case in point.
Hey, did you see Bryan Fuller's tweet?
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Lol, yeah, I chuckled at Norma talking about smacking down the real estate guy with her purse.
No, what tweets Bryan Fuller? Is he a fan?
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re: Norma's determination to fight the bypass - I think it's easy for us to see this as amusingly quixotic and/or foolish, but if one thinks about it, it really is an existential question for her. S1 established she can't sell the motel again. Which means that if the bypass happens (or rather: when the bypass happens, going by Psycho), the motel will lose its customers and Norma will end up completely broke. She'd have to start from scratch again, and as what? Cleaning lady? If she married as a teenager directly from high school, I doubt she ever had a job that would provide her with references.
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I understand what's at stake re: the bypass, and I'm not seeing Norma's current actions as quixotic. More like a progression. She has been more suspicious and skeptical in the past, with good reason, especially given what happened with Shelby. But she is being less suspicious now, and I think that's not only because of what's at stake for her. From the start of the season they've shown how much better life has gotten with the motel being booked (upping the stakes). Shelby's behind her, and we know how Norma likes to "move on" and shove the past down into a deep, dark hole. And now she's got what appears to be a decent woman seeking her friendship, despite her resistance. The most significant worries she's had (beyond the bypass) are personal (Norman and Mrs. Watson, but that appears to have been solved; and then her brother and Dylan...on the backburner for the moment).
Nick Ford lands in her lap; she goes to see him and he has A YACHT and personal assistants and guards...which should raise an eyebrow. He talks about how she can fight the bypass where he can't, going on about how nice and innocent a woman she is. He hooks her up with some guy who has a report ready to go. And then the councilman dies in an "accident." So, yeah, I do think Norma has been suspending her suspicions where she might not have before for a variety of reasons. It doesn't make her a fool, just back-up-against-a-wall and hopeful.
2.06 Plunge
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Apart from everything else going on, it was nice to get an illustration that while Norman isn't romantically interested in Emma, he does care about her as a friend. (And also might find Cody's teenage bravado entrancing when directed at himself, but draws the line at her endangering Emma.)
I think I know now why Christine and her brother befriended Norma: for the same reason Nick Ford did, and I wouldn't be surprised if the death of the Councilman was their work, not directly this (though he obviously knew and benefited). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Christine at least wasn't high up there in Ford's organisation. Christine spotted someone she saw as a good frontwoman for them at the council, someone who because she had no other friends would be entirely beholden to her and so grateful that she wouldn't question. And while Norma in the aftermath of the "accident" immediately calls it quits with Nick Ford because she doesn't believe it was a coincidence, it doesn't occur to her that Christine having the councilwoman idea ready is just as much of a coincidence. In a way, it's similar to the Keith Summers and Deputy Shelby thing last season - Summers is the obvious menace, to be identified immediately, whereas Shelby seems like a nice guy, but because of said nice facade and providing Norma with help, admiration and affection, she doesn't want to see the danger until confronted with it.
There are two possible parallels with the other members of the family in this episode: Dylan is taken home by Nick Ford's opposite number in the drug war - btw, did we get a first name for her yet? If so, I missed it - who provides medical care, attention and sex, and tells him she needs him to basically become a backseat driver for her brother, Zane the idiot. Which sounds plausible enough, though I doubt that's all she'll want from him in the longer term. It also doesn't escape me she's a bossy blonde.
And then there's Cody. Whom I can't completely read. On the one hand, going out of her way to make Norman drink alcohol after Norma explicitly asked her not to "for medical reasons" , which Cody, who has experienced a Norman blackout, has to know isn't something Norma just made up , strikes me as a bit more sinister than just teenage bravado and a kneejerk reaction to defy a parent figure. On the other hand, telling Emma about the blackouts does look like genuine concern, which would argue against one of my speculations (which the liquor scene fueled fo rme), that Cody had a vague plan to have Norman deal with her father. I can't make up my mind on this; her father ending up on the bottom of the stairs at the end of this episode came to be accidentally rather than pre planned, i.e. there was no way to predict how that tussle with Norman would go. Then again, Cody did know Norman had a temper and that abusive men triggered it (see him telling her about his uncle), so - I just don't know. Can't make up my mind on this.
During the first scene at Cody's house, when Norman and Cody are hiding from her father, Norman flashes back to both his early childhood (which is the earliest flashback we had on the show so far), and Norma hiding with thim in an closet from a rampaging Sam Bates (I assume, though we didn't see the man they were hiding from), and to What Happened Last Summer, aka the events immediately preceding the death of his father, Sam hitting Norma. It's as explicit as the show's gotten an explanation for the origin of Norman's blackouts - that sense of fear and helplessness shared with his mother. Cody saying that her father wasn't always "like this" but that he could be nice is a parallel to Norman saying "he had his moments" when Shelby tries to sound him out about Sam Bates during the s1 fishing trip. What's interesting is that this is a blackout where we know Norman didn't do anything violent, nor did he try to, whereas all the previous blackouts the audience has seen contained Norman taking action, usually violent one.
(So far: the blackout around Sam Bates' death; the short blackout during his fight with Dylan when he comes at Dylan for the second time, this time with a meat cleaver, and later can't remember that part; the blackout around Miss Watson's death, which has of course a question mark (did he? didn't he?), and the blackout around confronting Caleb with a knife. Whereas this one in Cody's house happens without Norman going into any kind of action until he comes by at her sofa again.)
Meanwhile, the times Norman gets angry in the episode are times he's definitely NOT blacking out - after Emma's plunge, and after Norma prevented him getting his driver's licence after her phonecall from Emma. He's also still himself when storming into Cody's house to confront her about revealing the blackouts. Whether or not he's at the very end, after his struggle with Cody's father, though, we don't know yet. Though I can't help but notice that in the trailer for next week, it's Norman and only Norman who apparantly got arrested. Oh, and something else just occured to me: by telling Emma about the blackouts, Cody has just ensured someone else knows Norman has them, someone not Norman's mother, that is, who can't be relied upon to tell the cops about them.
Trivia: The Man Who Killed Liberty Valance: of course the key twist of that movie is that the noble lawyer whose entire career is built on the story about how he defied and killed evil Liberty Valance WASN'T the man who did it at all, how that was a lie; 'twasn't Jimmy Stewart the lawyer but morally ambiguous John Wayne, who didn't shoot Liberty Valance in a duel but from behind. (This is the movie with the most famous line being about how if it's truth versus legend, "print the legend".) I'm seeing certarin parallels here to George versus Alex Romero, Norma.
Re: 2.06 Plunge
I thought it was interesting the perception Cody had of Norman's relationship with Emma. When Cody goes to tell her about his blackouts, she says it's clear he trusts her, but Emma's been feeling shut out from the Bates, especially as far as what's been happening with Dylan. Later, when Norman learns Cody's the one who told Emma, he says that's as good as telling his mom. More and more Emma's feeling like or becoming some younger version of Norma for him; when Norman comforts her after the swimming hole incident, it's very reminiscent of how he's comforted Norma in the past. I've thought of this before given the way Emma dresses, too, with the sweaters and pins and demure dresses/skirts.
Another "Alex"/Norma scene! He did look nice in a suit, hm? Interesting contrast between Romero, who says there's no way Norma will get the council seat, and George, who gives her that "bring yourself, you're awesome" speech. Gee, I wonder who's full of crap (even though Norma got the seat, someone was more honest when it came to noting how political an issue it was).
Oh Dylan, I am concerned. But also, at this point (because while it's only been a few days, narrative time feels longer, I guess), your whining about your family not caring about you is not winning any sympathy from me. Or, it will lose it.
Did they telegraph that Norman was not going to get his license enough?
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a) Norman can (truthfully) claim he was defending Cody from her father and didn't intend to kill him - if, that is, he remembers everything up to the very end. However, this also depends on Cody corroborating these events. If she's not genuine about Norman, she could easily claim he is an episode-having ragemonster who attacked her father.
b) No matter whether Cody is genuine or not, presumably the cops will take Norman's finger prints... and that could mean a match to finger prints from Miss Watson's house.
Additional speculation: if Cody does testify against Norman, or threatens to, whatever her motives, how do you think Norma would react? Because it occured to me that while we've seen Norma kill once (Keith Summers), those were special circumstances and it wasn't pre-planned; the show might want to test her "I'll do anything for my son" credo in the worst way. Normally I'd say Norma would not kill someone in cold blood, she's not the type; but if the alternative (in her eyes) is Norman ending up in prison and/or an institution? I don't know whether she wouldn't at least be tempted.
When Cody goes to tell her about his blackouts, she says it's clear he trusts her, but Emma's been feeling shut out from the Bates, especially as far as what's been happening with Dylan
True, but Cody doesn't have a point of comparison, not knowing what the audience does. She's just witnessed Norman acting very protective about Emma; the conclusion that therefore, Emma must be close to him isn't that much of a stretch.
I've been rewatching some s1 episodes, and I think the point where Norman starts to freeze Emma out after they had pursued the mystery of the Chinese girl together is in 1.07., the episode after the big mid season reveals; the sequence in question is: Emma arrives chez Bates, Norma goes up to tell Norman, Norman - still convinced he and Bradley are an item after their sex the previous episode - says essentially it's better not to encourage her and he doesn't want to see her; Norma says Emmma is a sweet girl and Norman should treat her better, but Norman refuses to see her. Norma goes down to give Emma the bad news and when a crushed Emma is about to go, Norma stops her and offers to bring her home. (This is noteworthy because at this point, Emma going to the cops about the Chinese girl is no longer an issue; Norma has no motive for being nice to Emma other than, well, wanting to be.) En route Emma brings up Bradley and we get that hilarious scene where she shows Bradley - taking her gym class - to Norma. Later in the episode Norma tells Norman she's offered Emma a job at the Motel and Norman reacts hostile. I think the very fact his mother is pro-Emma dooms any prospects Emma might have had in the girlfriend capacity because you can't tell me that part of the allure of both Bradley and Cody isn't that Norma disapproves of them. (Not the main reason in either case, but it's certainly there.) There is nothing forbidden about Emma. Norman seems to want to carve out some private, non-family space for himself with these relationships, and by becoming closer to Norma, Emma starts to qualify as family.
More and more Emma's feeling like or becoming some younger version of Norma for him; when Norman comforts her after the swimming hole incident, it's very reminiscent of how he's comforted Norma in the past.
That is true. Maybe he does subconsciously see her as a younger version of his mother, though minus the heading-towards-doom subtext.
Gee, I wonder who's full of crap (even though Norma got the seat, someone was more honest when it came to noting how political an issue it was).
Like I said, that lawyer from Liberty Valance actually turns out to have built his entire career on a lie. :) I saw some comments to the AV Club review of this episode to the effect commenter a ships Norma/Romero but doesn't want Romero to end up poisoned by Norman as whoever Norma will get serious with according to Psycho will be, to which commenter B said we could always hope Norma and Alex are so discreet that Norman mistakenly thinks it's George and poisons him instead. :)
(Though more seriously, if the good ship Norma/Alex Romero sails, then he IS most likely doomed, because even if Norman doesn't poison him, I can't see him not drawing the right conclusions if Norma suddenly dies/dissappears, and as nobody is allowed to suspect Norman pre-Psycho...)
Oh Dylan, I am concerned. But also, at this point (because while it's only been a few days, narrative time feels longer, I guess), your whining about your family not caring about you is not winning any sympathy from me.
I think it's two days, three at most, and I hear you, especially since Dylan was the one who dramatically announced he no longer wanted anything to do with them. True, he did try to call Norman, but he didn't leave a message, instead hanging up when getting the voice mail.
(Let's see, timeline: Dylan leaves in the evening; spends the next day getting woken up by water and hanging out with Zane the idiot while Norma checks in Sheriff Romero at the motel and has her first meeting with Nick Ford; then there must have been another day since Romero is complaining she cleaned his laundry - unless she did that in the afternoon? - at the end of which Dylan saves Zane's life and ends up in the hospital; then it's definitely a new day when Norma reads about the Councilman's death in the papers and Zane's sister checks Dylan out.)
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I'm not sure how the genuine concern Cody shows in telling Emma about Norman's blackouts jives with the idea of her not backing Norman up. The truth (that it was an accident) isn't going to hurt either one of them (if it's believed), so I'm not sure why she'd try to sabotage Norman. However, I DO see the fingerprint concern being an issue!
As for Norma's reaction, maybe she gets her new "friends" involved? Or Romero, especially if the fingerprints become an issue when he already sent someone away for Miss Watson's murder.
Re: Dylan calling Norman. Even though Dylan didn't leave a message, shouldn't Norman have seen that he had a call from Dylan? I'm chalking this up to TV convenience.
The White Pine Bay (or Pine White Bay, as Norma hilariously misspeaks) syndrome you mention is what's making me feel like it doesn't matter who Norma ends up romantically involved with (or who anyone gets involved with): everybody is doomed one way or the other!
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*nods* I wonder what Emma would think if she knew that Norman has told Cody at least part of what was going on (i.e. the Caleb tale, minus the incest and the implication for Dylan) at the same day he refused to tell her? BTW, I should say despite my overcomplicated thoughts re: Cody and Norman, I didn't have the impression Cody meant any harm when daring Emma to plunge - she really thought Emma could and should do it and would enjoy the experience.
As for Norma's reaction, maybe she gets her new "friends" involved? Or Romero, especially if the fingerprints become an issue when he already sent someone away for Miss Watson's murder.
I could see Norma swallowing her pride for Norman's sake and asking Nick Ford for help... which would backfire badly, not so much because Nick Ford is a drug lord but because Nick Ford is Miss Watson's father, which Norma doesn't know. And if he as much as hears of a suspicion that Norman, not the guy Romero arrested for his daughter's murder, could be responsible, well, I can't see this meaning anything good for either Bates.
Even though Dylan didn't leave a message, shouldn't Norman have seen that he had a call from Dylan? I'm chalking this up to TV convenience.
Yes, I think it's simply a production oversight - the script editor not noticing that unless someone has an identity suppressor going on, which I doubt Dylan has, there would be a "you missed a call from..." in a smart phone.
Norma misspeaking reminds me that the show isn't afraid of letting her goof up like this - or stumble, as just before she enters the yacht for the first time - as a nervous person in her situation would. Little touches like this help selling me on the emotional reality of the series.
2.07 Presumed Innocent
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Emma, you are so my heroine. I mean, trying to mediate in this particular family is probably one of the all time fruitless jobs, but still, as Zane the idiot says: A for effort. Also for not, as fanfic would have it, hugging Dylan and being immediately on his side. (Seriously, during the last weeks when I checked the more recent fanfic there were not one but three stories in which Dylan tells his woes to Emma and she comforts him. Which struck me as unlikely on two counts: firstly, Dylan is more likely to tell Remo, if anyone, just what his current problems with his mother and brother are, and even with Remo I doubt he'd go beyond the general way he puts it in this episode ("some shit with my mother"). Secondly, Emma knows Dylan least of the family, and while her old crush on Norman may have transformed into friendship, it's still strong friendship, and she has not a little hero worship and mother figure yearning when it comes to Norma.) Yes, Emma doesn't have many, if any, of the facts about both the current and the long time Norma-Dylan troubles, but I still loved her parting shot at Dylan. Especially since he reveals in his conversation with Emma Norma did call him and left a message on his voicemail. Dylan, you can't have it both ways: either you're always shut out and Norma and Norman only care about each other, or you ignore it when they contact you. (I also noticed that when Romero told Norma there was something bad had happened, she asked whether it was Norman or Dylan, not just about Norman.)
Meanwhile, I wronged Cody by suspecting her of long term plans. She handled a bad situation rather well here, and wisely took the chance to get the hell out of White Pine Bay to her aunt (cat pee smell not withstanding, this definitely raises her life expectancy). In the end, Cody was there in the story as a trigger of revelation for several people; she let Norma know (via Emma) that Norman had additional blackouts, let Norman know that Norma knew about previous blackouts and was scared as hell about their significance, and the accidental death of her father, in a fitting irony for a long term murder story, is what brings Norman's DNA into the police system which triggers the discovery that it was his semen inside the late and definitely murdered Blair Watson. (More about that in a moment.) You could even say she acted as a trigger of discovery for Emma, too, because Emma both found out about the blackouts via Cody, and could see Norman does care for her (even if its not romantically). And having fulfilled the revelation function, she departs, which makes her the second girl this season to live where audience expectations were for her death.
Norman is in the Oedipus position in more than one sense here, as in the original Sophocles drama Oedipus presses and presses to find out more when the discovery waiting for him, about his own deeds, committed unknowingly, will destroy him. He realises that something is off about Norma's fears re: the death of Cody's father and that there has to be a reason for that, then Cody tells him Norma knew about the blackouts and adds the new information about Norma being scared by the way he changes during them, and in their last confrontation in this episode - both Norma and Norman dressed in identical coloured outfits - he gets Norma to confirm that what Cody said was the truth. But Norma still refuses to tell him more. At this point, it's doubtful whether "you killed your father" could be worse news than her refusal to tell him just what he did, and the audience because this is Norman Bates knows Norma is doing exactly the wrong thing (thus ensuring her own death), but then again: Norma hasn't seen Psycho, but she does have a vivid memory of how the last time telling a son the truth about himself ended.
Bates Motel, show that manages black comedy in the midst of drama, always: having rewatched s1, I remembered the office worker at the Sheriff's station who has it in for Norma and was amused she still does. Also, all around awkward moment when Norma hugs George for being there when she's angsting about her son at the exact point where Norman and Alex Romero exit the Sheriff's office. Hard to say who of the two was less pleased by the sight (though if in doubt, always Norman.) Romero clearly has developed at least a soft spot for Norma - compared with this s1 cold demeanour towards her, he's positively gentle here - which makes the cliffhanger ending all the worse for him. I knew the DNA probing would lead to something. I didn't know it would also lead to something that's new for the audience.
Now: as far as I recall from 3.01, they didn't find signs of rape or necrophilia on Miss Watson - just that she had sex with two different men within the last 24 hours of her life - which would mean Norman had sex with her before her death, not after, and probably not forced sex. (BTW, if I misrenember and they diagnosed rape, please tell me!) Which fills in one part of the missing time betwen Norman watching Blair Watson undressing in her bedroom and his running through the night after his blackout. But did he kill her afterwards? The only serious reason I have to doubt that is the assumption Norma will be the first woman he kills based on the movie. That, and the Doylist assumption that since the show got just renewed they can't end it with a situation where Norman already is a known (to people outside his family) killer. Now Romero already sent another man to prison for this particular murder, but it doesn't depend on Romero, or even his assistant, not with Norman's DNA now in the computer system. Which leads me to speculate that there will be a finale reveal of Blair Watson's killer as someone else (the late Gil? Bradley?), which clears Norman (having had sex with Blair Watson wasn't a crime on his part, though on hers, since he was her student and a minor), to be followed by a cliffhanger ending where he does kill someone (George?) again and this time the audience sees it.
Whoever directed the episode has an eye for extraordinary shots; the one of Norma at the police station in profile with Norman (and Romero) in the background was a standout, as was the whole sequence starting with Norman on top of the stairs and Norma rushing in with the good news that the death of Cody's father was ruled an accident, where you notice their identical colour scheme and they're shot like doppelgangers as they descend the stairs until Norman reveals what Cody told him.
And lastly: we have a name for the Overlady, Jodi, though she didn't show up this week. How Dylan is supposed to keep an eye on her brother and restrain same when she didn't tell any of the other thugs Dylan has more authority is a mystery, though, and unsurprisingly Zane the idiot makes things worse by staging a raid on Nick Ford's warehouse. Let's see, Nick Ford: very likely to hear soon that the investigation into his daughter's death will be reopened, with Norma's younger son as the new main suspect. Also about to find Norma's older son on the scene of his raided warehouse. (Unless by dragging himself those few meters Dylan successfully managed to stay hidden once Zane the idiot & thugs depart.) There is an avalanche of badness in development right there.
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Another immediate reaction: I'm sad Cody's leaving! This is the second girl Norman's slept with and felt close to that's "abandoned" him (I put that in quotes for a reason). That...can't be great for him. For me, that's Cody's most significant role, although it is also fascinating to see all the ways she's functioned as a trigger for revelation. I really liked Cody (I liked Bradley, too, FWIW, though not necessarily the abrupt change they made with her this season to write her off the show); plus, she got the best line of the episode with that bit about getting to choose how her place smells.
George...so icky at this point. When Norman asks why he's so nice to her, I yelled, "Good question!" When they had that shot where you know they're about to be seen hugging, for a moment I thought it was going to be Dylan since it followed Dylan and Emma's conversation. And I was thinking how simultaneously screwed up and perfect it would be, but of course it was (more perfectly) Norman. I didn't even think of implications for Romero.
Emma truly said it, and you're right: Dylan can't have it both ways and at least, as Emma says, he has some kind of family. So over his pouting. I'll be interested to see how he and Norman and Norma come back together (not necessarily amicably)--surely Nick Ford. I had been wondering last week how in the hell he was supposed to keep control of Zane the Idiot (let's make it official with caps!). And no, Remo! However, I did feel for Dylan a bit when Remo (and Zane) makes comments about his sleeping with Jodi. I couldn't tell quite how truthful Dylan was being about getting it (that sleeping with her means nothing, but I imagine after Norma's revelation, he might be feeling, er, like damaged goods as it is. (And I saw that Dylan/Emma fic, too. Not to my taste either.)
When Norman fist says he can never trust Emma again, I totally read that as serious until Emma turns around and Norman smiles or laughs (I think?). Before then I was so sad! But I still wonder if he could be serious behind the joke.
I don't know if telling Norman about killing his father is a good or a bad idea. I'm ambivalent about Cody telling Norman what she did before she leaves--I appreciate her being open with him, but she's not exercising much judgment. As for what might lead Norman to be a "psycho"--Norma still could end up telling him. But what struck me was the way she refused to tell him, putting on that "I am your mother, this is the end of it" tone--very much in her style of moving-on-now and compartmentalizing. I don't know what the alternative is, but this seemed to be the worst way to refuse the information.
I noted that extended shot of Norma running up the stairs to tell Norman about the accident ruling, too. Very cool.
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re: Bradley, the only reason why I still list her as a suspect is because I rewatched s1 entirely now, and there really is nothing in the finale to explain why she's suddenly suicidal in the s2 opener. She was okay at the prom, in a good mood, actually. Earlier, she was upset about her father and the "all my love, B" letters, and of course ongoing grieving her her father through the season, but definitely not in a suicidal or otherwise self harming way. Now I realise that there is a Doylist reason, since the actress wasn't available anymore due to film commitments and thus the character had to be written out, but still, I expect the show to come up with some Watsonian reason for such an extreme turn as well. (In a Bradley did it scenario, I suppose Bradley, hearing that her boyfriend has punched Norman at the Prom, goes after Norman - whom she did honesltly like after all, even if she wasn't in love with him - to see whether he's okay, arrives just to see him getting into Miss Bates' car, follows them, still with the intention to talk to Norman, and arrives in time to see Miss Bates and Norman having sex. And by virtue of some convenient prop lying around - maybe letters from her father, assuming he wrote back - realises that Miss Watson is, in fact, B. That still would make killing Miss Watson and trying to commit sucide afterwards an extreme reaction, but it would make a bit more sense than Bradley going from having fun at the Prom to a suicide attempt without any trigger at all. Also, it would allow the show to bring Bradley back for the finale with a confession in order to save Norman.)
Mind you, I'm very ware that I'm probably overthinking the whole suicide attempt thing and the writers really just had to come up with SOMETHING short of killing Bradley that would allow the actress to leave the show.
If Gil - who is a more plausible suspect, and could have acted in a jealous rage upon finding Norman and Miss Watson - did it, though, how is anyone going to prove that since he's dead? (And the show still needs an alternate suspect to exonorate Norman in order to make it plausible Norman doesn't end up in prison before becoming a serial killer.)
re: Cody leaving - well, since she's not going to stay 17 forever, she might be back next season, you know, when she decides where she lives. Telling Norman not to expect texts or mails or calls had a raw honesty to it, though, that struck me as kinder than if she'd left him pining in hope for weeks or months. Not that I don't see your point re: his long term development! (He should talk with Buffy Summers about bad morning after experiences, though, she says flippantly; even with several in a row, one does not have to become a serial killer afterwards. Then again, Buffy kills vampires by profession, so...)
George: might actually be harmless and honestly just interested in Norma because he's attracted to her, but a) he's a rich lawyer living in White Pine Bay, b) he and his sister have some kind of connection to Nick Ford, and c) Norma is just not lucky in love. So I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop there, definitely. (And whether or not he has evil intentions, I really don't expect him to outlive the season.)
Zane the Idiot shall be capslocked, I agree. If Remo dies in that raid and Zane the Idiot lives, it'll be another proof of life being unfair, but I'm very much afraid this will be the case.
Nick Ford: am betting on him as the (inadvertent) family unififier, too. As soon as the news about the semen sample gets out, he now has both brothers on his radar, and whatever he wanted Norma as minion on the city council for (I doubt it's just the bypass) hasn't gone away, either.
Norman and Emma: he was definitely joking in that he understands why Emma did it, is grateful for her friendship and wants to show her all is fine between them, but at the same time, no, I don't think he was entirely joking.The thing is, Norman didn't trust Emma with the blackout information in the first place; that was Cody. The last thing he did tell her in confidence was that he'd had sex with Bradley - or, as naive Norman put it, "Bradley and I are together now"- and after she told this to the school girls to defend him and to Norma, they had an argument and reconciliation - but he never told her anything in confidence again, if you think about it. Notably nothing about the entire Caleb situation, not even the censored version which he gave Cody. I think Norman likes Emma, really appreciates her believing in him re: the accident and would defend her to anyone, but no, I don't think he'll trust her with secrets any time soon.
Of course, the very next episode might prove me wrong, since Norman is on a quest to find out what Norma is hiding about his blackouts, and he doesn't have exactly many people he could ask to help him there. The most obvious thing to do would be to ask Dylan, who already dropped a heavy hint in 2.04, and who'd actually know, but for that Dylan (assuming he's in a shape to do so in his current state) would have to answer his voice mail.
Re: Norma putting on the compartmentalizing-and-moving-on tone: yes, definitely the worst method. But very ic. I'm recalling the first of her two scenes with Dr. Kastura (the therapist Norman was supposed to go to in s1) where he says that people who feel the need to control often do so because they feel their own life is completely out of control, and Norma (who in that episode is simultanously menaced by Jack Abernathy and finding out she can't resell the motel, i.e. is stuck in White Pine Bay for good) insists that she's completely in control of her own life and that's not why she's controlling of Norman at all. Meaning, of course, the exact opposite. (The second scene with Dr. Kastura, which comes in the finale, is even more extreme in what it illustrates about Norma's inability to deal with something she's compartmentalized and shoved into the not-to-be-spoken-about back of her mind.
Kastura: Is this what you thought parenting would be like when you were a little girl?
Norma: WhenI was a little girl.... I don't remember.
Kastura: What were your parents like.
Norma: My father, he was smiling all the time, he was that kind of person that makes you happy just to be with him. And my mother worked in a bakery. She always smelled of cookies and home. *she starts to rub the scar on her thigh*
Kastura: Do you have any siblings?
Norma: No. *gets up* Excuse me, I can't continue this, I'm going to be sick. *hastily leaves*)
Mind you: I wonder whether she'd be able to tell Norman the truth now if the death of his father had been the only occasion. Because no matter how relieved she was that someone else was arrested for Blair Watson's murder, there are still the pearls she found under Norman's bed. And the fact that last season, he kept Keith Summers' belt, which (understandably) disturbed her a lot. Also, Norman inadvertendly let it slip he hallucinates when he said to her "but you told me" to get the belt (which the audience knows she didn't, it was Norman's internalized "Mother" ) from Shelby later. So one part of Norma is aware there is something wrong with Norman beyond him having killed his father in what was after all a reaction to an abusive situation, but she's incapable of dealing with it in other ways than keeping him close and refusing to talk about it.
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Isn't there still that mysterious person with whom Miss Watson was arguing on the phone that we have yet to meet? Named Eric, right? I'm assuming that won't be forgotten unless I'm forgetting or mixing up details.
I forgot that Norman hallucinated that Norma told him to get the belt.
I'm trying to think of another show where my interpretations come from a place of knowing (in a general sense) where some characters end up. I read a comment from Carlton Cuse where he said he (or others) figured working on a story with a definite end was like an antidote to working on Lost.
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I read a comment from Carlton Cuse where he said he (or others) figured working on a story with a definite end was like an antidote to working on Lost.
He. I can imagine. Well, Byran Fuller is sort of in the same position with Hannibal. And I never watched the "How I met your mother", just saw you being upset (along with the majority of the viewership) about the ending after we friended, but fannish osmosis tells me part of the ending problem was that it WAS actually pre-planned years ahead and not fitting anymore the story that developed in between? But in that case, as opposed to Bates Motel and Hannibal, the AUDIENCE wasn't in in a position to know ahead of time, whereas with the serial killer prequels, you as an audience member know, for example, that Norman can't in the next episode get killed by Blair Watson's father; Norman is the only only character who is guaranteed to survive the entire show. :) And similarly, we know Norma will die before it ends, though presumably not much before - my guess is the last or last but one episode, once they know for sure they're cancelled. Dylan's fate, though, is open, as is Emma's (beyond her medical condition).
2.08 Meltdown
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VaughnMichael Vartan, but there it is.)Incidentally, setting aside Norma's messed up relationship with Norman, the earlier scene between Norma and George was interesting to me from a character pov both because it confirmed some things I had concluded from earlier eps about Norma's background beyond the family abuse stuff - i.e. that she never went to college, "barely finished high school" (given she got pregnant at 17 with Dylan and got married to Masset the yet unseen first husband and high school boyfriend, that would be the case) and is completely self educated otherwise. (I have some vague ideas for a story and I need to know these things, so this was useful.) Her outburst towards George had some raw truth beyond this and was, I think, not solely motivated by her Norman issues: what I mean is that parties like Christine's and dinner with George are attractive to Norma the same way the old movies she and Norman like so much are. They're daydreams. As Norman says to Emma in an early s1 episode, everyone looks great and seems to be better in the old movies, "even in the crappy ones" . Norma likes this as a daydream, a completely different world to hers, but not as a reality, not just because her primary emotional commitment will always be to her son but because in her heart she feels unworthy and not belonging in it. (See also her deep discomfort at Christine's dinner for four outing.) So even if there would not have been a Norman crisis right then, I think she'd have turned George down (though less abruptly). (Otoh without a Norman crisis she would not have slept with him. It's interesting that the show never played a moment of UST between Norma and George, on her end, anyway - even when she hugged him, it always came across as spontanous gratitude rather than anything else for her - whereas with Romero there is such tension.)
Meanwhile, Nick Ford does become an involuntary family uniter when demanding that Norma should arrange a meeting between him and Dylan. I appreciate that the show for all that Nick Ford being scary and ruthless is played up doesn't present him as Abernathy, Next Model; he's menacing Norma and making implicit threats, yes, but I also had the impression he meant it when he said he regretted being estranged from his daughter when she died, and that one should make up with one's child while that's still possible. (I.e. I think he was both making a threat and expressing an honest opinion.) In tandem with the Norma and Norman relationship getting worse, the Norma and Dylan one takes at last a turn for the better when Norma, upon still being unable to get Dylan on the phone, enlists Emma as her guide and visits Dylan at work. Resulting in an utter gem of a scene, in which Norma manages to express her deep worry for her son and to get sidetracked into giving health advice about cannabis because that's the way Norma's mind works. (I love her.) And Dylan, while still unable to talk about what happened between them, has stopped with the blaming-Norma-for-everything and instead is not only able to be matter of factly about the current drug war but stares after her downright longingly when she leaves, and gets protective on her behalf when finally meeting Nick Ford. (He does have a "nobody gets to hurt Norma but me" thing going, doesn't he?)
Considering Nick Ford point blank demands Dylan should kill Zane the Idiot and Jodi Morgan implicitly tells him to, I do wonder whether it will occur to Dylan that there is a non-lethal way to get rid of Zane; like, say, getting him arrested for the dozens of people he just co-killed in the warehouse? Because getting into prison for multiple murders would do the trick. This would necessitate a team-up with Alex Romero, of course, and I wonder whether that's why we got the short scene of Romero reminding Dylan of his existence this episode? Other than that, Romero is currently busy with Norma's other son, obviously hoping Norman is in denial about the whole having-had-sex-with-Miss-Watson thing for normal angsty teenager reasons (i.e. being seduced by your teacher who soon dies mysteriously after would be something most teens might be inclined to lie about to the authorities) rather than sinister having-killed-her-reasons, but not excluding the later. For Norman, coming as it does so shortly after finding out his mother is hiding something disturbing about his behavior when blacking out, this news is shattering. And that's before he's getting kidnapped, presumably by Nick Ford's men (Nick Ford having concluded that with Norman as leverage he can make Dylan and Norma do whatever he wants).
Speculation: whatever Dylan intended/intends to do re: Zane the Idiot, this has just ensured Nick Ford a place on my list of people not likely to survive the season. Whether or not Dylan will be the one to actually kill him. Other possibilities now include Norma or Alex Romero. Or Norman himself, because in this episode Norman found out Nick Ford is Blair Watson's father, remember, and Norman has just learned via Romero that he had sex with Miss Watson in the night of her death and is seriously freaked out about being her possible murderer. It may be Norman (while still himself) either deliberately or involuntary ends up revealing to Nick Ford, who wouldn't react peacably, leverage or no leverage, at which point "Mother" in Norman may take over because seriously threatening situations tend to bring out the blackouts.
Outstanding scene of the week: the "you changed the rules" scene between Norman and Norma, both for the emotional powerplay with Norman having the upper hand and for being the one with the most overt oedipal (sub? main?) text between Norman and Norma yet, which is saying something.
Trivia: Remo's reaction to seeing Norma reminded he hasn't met her before (that I recall) and probably formed a different (visual) picture from Dylan's occasional remarks about her.
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A most striking moment for me was the one when Norma quietly cries Norman's name on her way out the door when leaving George's. My lord. (And by the way, I suffer from the same Vaughn/Vartan-related issues as you. BUT I do think concerns that this character can't possibly be as nice as he appears are legit given this show and this town.)
Also, Norma's outburst of truth-telling about her background resonated with me as I thought about my reaction as she simply walked up to his gigantic house. I would be so intimidated, and I am educated. As much as Norma likes to make a "fresh start" and leave the past behind or even remake it as she does at the therapist's, she's still the same inside. I admire it even as it (apparently) helps prevent her from experiencing or having something nice. She's been conflicted about going to parties and dinners what with all the personal turmoil in her life, but I think these feelings about her background play a role. (And I hope you write that fic!) It's interesting how classic movies could be a parallel, especially something like Double Indemnity, which is dark, and, of course, there's Psycho itself. Very meta.
I read George and Norma and Romero and Norma the same as you, with there being no real chemistry between the former with plenty untapped between the latter. Now that Norma's impulsively slept with George, what will happen with that relationship, I wonder? Is this going to further entangle and complicate what's happening with Nick Ford (given that Ford was at that party hosted by George's sister)?
I loved the scene where Norma visits Dylan at work (lol, nice office). It's another that's got that great, tinged-with-humor tone at times, with Remo holding the gun and then lowering it, remarking that he didn't recognize Norma; Norma's little lecture or mommying about cannabis; and then her kiss as she leaves, which the other guys witness (btw, my HD channel wasn't working, and the regular channel is darker; on my TV, it almost looks like Norma kisses Dylan on the lips). I loved Norma sweetly touching Dylan's face and his receptiveness. I read his reactions here (and with Nick Ford) as partially a result of his witnessing the argument between Zane the Idiot and Jodi, where he has to step in to say they need to set their feelings about each other aside to come up with a plan. Perhaps he's also taken what Emma said to him previously to heart. The fact that Nick Ford approached Norma and she's told Dylan Ford's helping her with the bypass doesn't hurt either, not to mention the escalation of the warehouse raid just that night before.
Dylan approaching or involving Romero occurred to me, too. Otherwise, I'm not quite sure what to make of that scene.
Oh, and now we know who Eric is!
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As much as Norma likes to make a "fresh start" and leave the past behind or even remake it as she does at the therapist's, she's still the same inside.
Yes, and as Norman says in the pilot, even when people want to start over, they simply bring themselves to new places.
Now that Norma's impulsively slept with George, what will happen with that relationship, I wonder? Is this going to further entangle and complicate what's happening with Nick Ford (given that Ford was at that party hosted by George's sister)?
If George as we suspect is involved in Nick Ford's business, it may be that nothing will happen this season, but if Nick Ford does die in the finale (no matter whom by, and given that he's now directly threatened Norma and kidnapped Norman, I think he will), there may be a tag scene revealing that seemingly harmless George is taking over Ford's empire (because someone will, and I doubt it's going to be Zane the Idiot), which Norma will find out the next season. Alternatively, George, like Cody, is simply there to be a trigger of events between Norman and Norma and will disappear from the show after having performed his function, and Jodi Morgan will be the one to take over the city once both Zane and Nick Ford are dead.
I loved the scene where Norma visits Dylan at work (lol, nice office). It's another that's got that great, tinged-with-humor tone at times, with Remo holding the gun and then lowering it, remarking that he didn't recognize Norma; Norma's little lecture or mommying about cannabis; and then her kiss as she leaves, which the other guys witness (btw, my HD channel wasn't working, and the regular channel is darker; on my TV, it almost looks like Norma kisses Dylan on the lips).
I thought so, too, and just rechecked; indeed she did! (A first in the show; she did kiss him on the cheek I think after he came out of the house alive in 1.06, but this was new.) And yes, Norma being impressed that Dylan got an office (if not by the product said office distributes) was golden, too. And the show effortlessly glides from the serious to the funny and back. "I don't want you to get hurt. I don't want you ever to get hurt." Norma & her sons scenes are truly the messed up intense heart of the show.
Considering Dylan now has to somehow get rid of Zane the Idiot and he & Norma have to get Norman back from Nick Ford, asking Romero for help seems to be inevitable. Just how this will work, though, given that Nick Ford as opposed to Zane isn't likely to be anywhere alone without his bodyguards and presumably has lawyers (including George?) to keep away the cops, I have no idea.
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Hmmm...since Jodi gave Dylan permission to do what he's gotta do to Zane, maybe Zane could (probably unwittingly) be used as some sort of bait to lure Nick Ford in? With Romero playing a role? I don't know...especially with Norman wrapped up in it.
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Nope, there was distinct lip-to-lip contact. :) In all fairness, though, it's actually not that unusual for adult parents and children to kiss that way in my experience. I mean, when I visit my parents I kiss them hello and goodbye that way, both of them. And having just read various volumes of biography on LBJ, there's a photo of him kissing his father (whom he had a troubled, if intense relationship with) back when Johnson was a young congressman:
However, and throwing fairness aside, it's definitely unusual for this particular mother and son. The looks from the staff observing were definitely priceless. :)
re: how to deal with Nick Ford - it just occured to me that in order to free Norman - which would be Norma's priority before anyone takes out anyone else - they would need someone inside of Ford's organization, or at least someone who can pay a visit to Nick Ford without Ford having him strip searched or turned away. Which might be where George comes in IF he's sincere enough in his attachment to Norma to risk it. (Or even if he isn't but secretely hopes for someone else to take out Nick Ford so he can take over, as one of my speculation goes.)
2.09 The Box
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Now, on to what actually happens in the episode: huh. I would not have expected the show to kill off Nick Ford before the finale! I mean, it makes total sense why it happened on a Watsonian level - Zane the Idiot suddenly having developed survival brains and having armed henchmen around him all the time, Dylan had no way of assasinating him, Ford had threatened to kill Norman within a day if Zane's dead body wasn't delivered, so killing Ford (who as opposed to Zane did leave his henchmen outside for his conversation with Dylan) was the next step. But on a Doylist level it is very surprising, given that the episode itself made the episode bring the two plot threads of Miss Watson's death and Nick Ford together and let Nick Ford find out (via the pearls, as I thought) that Norman had something to do with his dead daughter. And now Nick Ford never gets to react? Huh. (Unless he's set things in motion between his henchman - Eric? - bringing him the pearls and Dylan arriving which we'll only find out later, but that seems unlikely, given that Norman was in his power at the time, and Ford had no reason not to act on Norman himself if he wanted to.) Well, I suppose one reason for this choice may be so the finale could focus not so much on an external threat (i.e. Nick Ford) but on an internal (Norman having now remembered about Miss Watson, courtesy of being locked up in a coffin like box for 24 hours at least). (There's still Zane and Ford's people as far as external threats to Dylan, if not the rest of the family, go, but persumably that's where Romero will come in.)
Poor Emma. Poor, poor Emma. I mean, her timing was horrible - chances are Norma wouldn't have told her about the more usual type of Bates family quarrel, either, but there was no way she'd confide in Emma under these particular circumstances, with Nick Ford having threatened to kill Norman if she told anyone - but you could see how much it hurt her when Norma just accepted her quitting instead of protesting, trying to dissuade her and/or confide in her. Emma has made Norma into her replacement mother, and it was never more visible than when she decided to stay anyway instead of driving off when George showed up, instead returning to Norma and hugging her.
Speaking of George: I assume that's it. (Unless he's revealed as taking over Nick Ford's organisation at the end of the finale.) Can't say I'm sorry, and Norma's outburst about him not being real pretty much goes with my headcanon on how she sees him.
Norma was pretty much condemmed to reacting through the episode, and I hope in the finale she'll get to do something active again. My guess is Norman will be liberated early on in the finale rather than the show doing a "will they find Norman in time?" plot, which would be silly - we know Norman can't die, even if the characters don't, he's the sole character whose survival is ironclad guaranteed. So one question will be how Norma, once Norman's life isn't under immediate threat anymore, will respond to the latest confirmation/revelation from Romero re: Norman in the night of Blair Watson's death. Because this is different from Norman's other outbursts of violence when blacking out. (BTW, that scene where Norma after closing the door behind her breaks down in that mixture of taking breaths, sobs and hiccups was fantastic acting on Vera Farmiga's part again.) This had nothing to do with him wanting to protect someone. I suppose Norma might still try to tell herself Norman having had sex with Miss Watson doesn't mean he also killed her, because Norma is the queen of denial, but that's not what this scene looked like to me.
Which brings me to: Norman at last having the flashbacks (complete with his hallucinated inner Mother) to the night of Blar Watson's death. So he did kill her her after all. I have the very strong suspicion, that since Norman canonically can't tell apart his hallucinations of Norma from the real thing (we could see that in season 1 when he insisted that she'd told him to get the belt from Shelby, which the audience knew she hadn't; his hallucination had), that his way of coping with the horror of that realization is going to be that he'll insist Norma told him to do it. And won't believe her if she says she didn't, not least because she didn't tell him about his blackouts. Which fits with the show's theme of Norma's efforts to help her son contributing to his doom, and thus also hers.
Re: 2.09 The Box
You mention Romero's obsessiveness (or, well, it felt like obsessiveness to me) regarding using a polygraph to learn the truth about Norman's role the night Miss Watson was killed. It wasn't the polygraph aspect that bugged me; it was the weird way in which they framed Romero's desire for the truth, like he was some Mulder (from The X-Files) figure who's on the crusade for it. He does mention having put someone else away for the crime, though that doesn't seem to be his prime motivation. It's like an ingrained need to know I don't believe we've seen from him before, to the point where I started wondering if there was something else going on (did he have a thing with Miss Watson, etc.). Ultimately, it felt like a wrench thrown in the works to keep the tension up (like, "Uh oh, Romero's onto Norman while all this other crap is happening! What's Norma going to do?"). I'm guessing Romero will have a role in finding Norman.
Also feeling contrived to me this episode, though it was set up last week was Ford's thugs finding Miss Watson's necklace AND, conveniently, the newspaper article on her in Norman's pocket. The fact that Dylan kills Nick Ford (and it's unclear to me how on purpose that was since he was trying to ask him where Norman was) before anything happens with that was unexpected to say the least. The only thing I can think is maybe Romero finds it? Could he go to Ford's knowing (from Norma) that he has Norman, discover him dead (talking or otherwise getting his way past Ford's people), and find the pearls and article?
I thought perhaps Zane is less of an idiot than we thought. His little interrogation of Dylan along those lines indicated that he's aware what Dylan and his sister think of him. Ultimately, he may turn out to be right about Ford (regardless, that dude's dead; will the war shift to a civil one between Zane and Jodi?).
I like your suggestion in the last paragraph on how things might go--Norman actually thinking Norma told him to kill Miss Watson. Especially because now that we know Norman did do it (and it's funny to me that I basically discounted that)--and I don't think there's wiggle room in that interpretation--I'm remembering how I was not a fan of that idea at the end of last season. It felt both too soon and somehow psychologically without motivation? The events of this season have only made it feel less probable to me that he killed her. I'm having a hard time figuring out in my own head why, so it's difficult to articulate. But thinking about it in terms of him believing Norma told him to makes it more plausible.
I don't believe Norma will be in denial about Norman killing Miss Watson. If you think about "Presumed Innocent," the problem was that when it comes to him and his blackouts, it's the one area where she accepts and readily believes that Norman is capable of murder because of what happened with Mr. Bates. When she initially learns Norman was at Miss Watson's that night she has that fear. She's only relieved when someone else is convicted. Does she deny this knowledge to Norman's face? Yes. Does she pretend outwardly that things are fine? For the most part, yes. But in this area she definitely doesn't doubt what her son is capable of, and it's one of her chief motivators for not telling Norman about his blackouts.
Re: 2.09 The Box
Hm, that actually wasn't my impression. I think it wasn't a Mulderish desire for the truth per se but a mixture of practical and emotional reasons. First of all, he's all about control and making the trains arrive on time in his town, so to speak, in general. He seems to be okay with the drug business as long as it's not escalating into gang warfare. (Sex trade also seems to be on the wrong side of the line for him, given Shelby had to do it behind his back and that he killed Abarnathy.) He was ready to put Miss Watson's other lover away despite the possibility the guy may not have had committed this particular murder because Romero knew him to be guilty of other murders; which would indicate a dislike of having loose canon killers in town. Now if Norman, whom so far he's seen as good kid, killed Miss Watson after having had sex with her, there is something seriously wrong with Norman, and he would definitely be a loose canon. Plus Norman is Norma's son; whether or not Romero has developed feelings for Norma, he has a certain history with her now (that includes the whole Shelby business and Romero taking part in a cover up, and she saw him shoot a man point blank) which presumably he would not want to go public. So yes, I understand why Romero wants to be certain whether or not Norman did it. But not via a polygraph!
Could he go to Ford's knowing (from Norma) that he has Norman, discover him dead (talking or otherwise getting his way past Ford's people), and find the pearls and article?
Unless the show asks us to believe Dylan can make a quick getaway on his lonesome from Nick Ford's property without any of his henchmen discovering he just killed their boss, I'm thinking Romero pretty much HAS to go to Ford next. Since he's the sheriff, he's the one person the henchmen would plausibly let in without being authorized to by Nick Ford. And it would make sense, given what he's just been told by Norma.
re: Norman killing Miss Watson - I know what you mean with "too soon", though the motivation sort of works given that Norman was in a state of humiliation and sexual frustration (Bradley's boyfriend had punched him, Bradley had made it clear she had no further interest in him), and he felt guilty about being attracted to Miss Watson (otherwise "Mother" wouldn't have shown up in his mind to remark on it in the first place), and about sharing a secret with her (the story he'd written) which he saw as somehow betraying his mother to her. (Norman told Miss Watson his mother wouldn't want him to publish the story even though he actually never spoke with Norma about it, and she to this day has no idea he's written it.) When he became Mother in the Caleb case, he enacted what he thought Norma wanted to do but couldn't (confront Caleb with what Caleb had done, then try to kill him). So I could see his psychosis telling him that Norma would want him to kill Miss Watson (for being a sexual rival mother figure). And yes, that Norman can't actually tell his hallucinations apart from the reality is bound to come into this, imo. I'm also remembering that Norman still doesn't know about his father but does know Dylan's original theory about Norma having killed him. Yes, Norma denied having done it, but now he doesn't trust her anymore the way he used to. And he doesn't know - or does he? - what Norma did in the night of Miss Watson's murder. I mean, the audience knows she was busy at the docks with Abernathy and Romero, but Norman came out of his blackout only when Norma found him running on the road, i.e. he doesn't know for sure she can't have been with him earlier.
I don't believe Norma will be in denial about Norman killing Miss Watson. If you think about "Presumed Innocent," the problem was that when it comes to him and his blackouts, it's the one area where she accepts and readily believes that Norman is capable of murder because of what happened with Mr. Bates. When she initially learns Norman was at Miss Watson's that night she has that fear.
Agreed. And like I said, her reaction once she's closed the door and is alone definitely looks like full awareness of what Romero's words mean about Norman.
2.10 The Immutable Truth
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The two most notable visual allusions being Norma in the rocking chair, and Norman in the final shot which is a direct restaging of the final shot from Psycho, whereas Mother-in-Norman tells us she couldn't hurt a fly and smiles. I have the suspicion that wanting to restage the Psycho image was one of the two reasons why they introduced the polygraph plot point to begin with. The other reason is that Norman, having now passed a polygraph test - because he didn't kill Miss Watson, Mother did - has a future alibi in the eyes of the law the next time somebody dies. Given the polygraph as a method to finding out the truth hasn't becoming more reliable since last week when I was complaining about this plot point, this is pretty flimsy, but you know what, I don't care, because the character stuff in this episode for Norma and her sons was so good.
Before we get to said heart of the show: the drug war plot gets wrapped up via the deaths of Zane the Idiot and Jody. If you ask me, Romero was deliberately waiting until Jody was killed before intervening because he wanted to get rid of both Morgan siblings. I doubt whether his idea of installing Dylan as new kingpin will work out, because I know this show, but from a Watsonian level I can see his logic. Dylan doesn't start drug wars and he owes Romero (double and triple at this point). Incidentally, my s1 rewatch has reminded me that mid s1 when Romero said "here's what the story will be" the last time, Dylan was mightily insulted at the prospect of Romero getting the "credit" for killing Shelby. This time, he's grateful. Says something about Dylan growing up in the meantime, doesn't it? Anyway, the Morgan siblings were among the least interesting characters on the show and won't be missed.
Speaking of siblings: I suppose this is it for Christine and George, too, unless one of my crazier speculations turns out to be true next season and seemingly harmless George takes over Nick Ford's organization. (Like I said, I think SOMEONE other than Dylan will, because the show likes external threats in addition to the internal ones, and if Dylan actually gets to be head drug honcho in town, there wouldn't be any.) If he doesn't, I don't think we'll see Christine or George again, in which case: Christine's angry words to Norma (which reveal George must have told her Norma's entire outburst) underline that she basically had cast herself and Norma in one particular narrative, where Christine was the gracious upper class fairy godmother and Norma the grateful lower class Cinderella who would after some token protest of course fall into the arms of Prince George, and was outraged when Norma turned out to not follow the story. Mind you, not that what Christine says isn't true as well - i.e. Norma is a trainwreck - but not for the reason Christine says it. (I.e. Sending George on his way was among the least train-wrecky things Norma Bates does.)
Only temporarily resolved: Emma's sense of alienation and being on the outside. Norman telling her (part of) the truth and asking her to stay, with a callback to one of their first scenes together - the Blake poem, Tyger Tyger (which addresses God creating both the murderous tiger and the lamb, obvious symbolism in that scene is obvious) - gives Emma one of the key family secrets. It's both a opposite to the s1 finale when Norman constantly overlooked and never truly communicated with Emma and a counterpoint to Norma telling him the same secret (well, except for the Dylan part) in the s1 finale. Becaus when Norma told him, she believed she was likely to die that night. When Norman tells Emma, he's determined to commit suicide. Also, note he adds that his mother does love her and asks Emma to stay; telling Emma this particular secret - and none of the others, like, say, his recent kidnapping by Nick Ford, or his memories of Miss Watson - is also designed to make Emma stay with Norma in a Norman-less future.
Which brings me to: let's hear it for Freddie Highmore, whose performance as Norman went above and beyond this season. Both with the dark side and with the bright side - Norman determined to kill himself rather than become/continue as a killer was absolutely heartbreaking, as was Norman hugging Dylan upon being rescued and his gentleness with Emma and Norma in what he thought would be his final meetings with them. Whereas Norman-as-Mother - both in the Caleb scene and in the final shot of the finale - was chilling. Feeling both sorry for and horrified by Norman (who now believes Mother to be the killer, meaning he's that much deeper into his developing psychosis) is what made the character in his Hitchcock/Anthony Perkins incarnation, and Freddie Highmore here truly is a worthy successor. (Technical side note: I appreciate that the wardrobe department takes care to dress Vera Farmiga in different outfits when she's playing Mother-in-Norman's-hallucination and also real Norma nearby to make it clear to even a casual audience that Norman isn't talking to the genuine article when he's hallucinating.)
Aristotle defined the perfect tragedy as one the hero of said tragedy experiences both due to external circumstances but more importantly due to his own flaws and decisions. The combination is important, as is the hero of a Greek tragedy bearing responsibility for what happens to him. In that sense, Bates Motel isn't so much Norman's tragedy as it is Norma's. Because Norman is mentally ill. His violence during his blackouts isn't a "flaw" over which he has control. Norma, on the other hand, has emotional problems (does she ever) and is messed up, but she's sane. There are some external circumstances - the childhood from hell, the bypass, being trapped in White Pine Bay, all the skeevy drug business and last season the sex trade business therein - contributing to her tragedy, but mostly it is driven by her own flaws and fatal decisions. If her love for her son were less co-dependent, she'd be able to face that getting treatment, even in prison, would be what's truly best for Norman, but Norma can't bear to part from him, and this means not just stopping him from suicide (good) but driving him back into denial about what he did (bad). At the same time where Norma's relationship with her younger son becomes ever more fatally (for both of them) dysfunctional, the one with her older son gets an upswing. Now there's one bit about the big Norma and Dylan reconciliation scene - which I loved - which I preferred to be added, because honestly, I thought Dylan should have apologized as well, not just Norma. (Am still not over Dylan siding with Caleb and believing him over Norma back then.) But he did say "it wasn't your fault, you were just a kid", which I take as an acknowledgment, and I can live with that. Especially since it really was a fabulous scene. It's telling that Dylan takes Norma's earlier "I love you" in the hospital as solely referring to the fact he helped saving Norman, but in this scene he finally believes that she does because she asks him to come with her almost at the start of it. At the root of the Dylan and Norma alienation, long before he found out about Caleb, was his conviction that she did not want him based on her remoteness with him as opposed to her clinginess with Norman, and then his retaliation by honing in on her considerable weaknesses verbally. It figures that what brings them back together (after the immediate need to save Norman is over) is a combination of Norma showing she does want him (and not just in an emergency) and considers him worth all the horror that led to his birth, and Norma being honest in a way she can't be with anyone else about Norman, including Norman himself (Dylan is the only person Norma actually talks with about Norman's blackouts and killings instead of going into strict denial mode).
...and while going into an emotional puddle, a part of me was also aware that Dylan, in a milder form, shares Norma's tragedy-inducing flaw of need for the beloved person above the capability of doing what actually would be best for said person if that means giving him/her up. The actual best thing Norma could do right now for Norman would be to let him admit his guilt, followed by oodles of therapy even if it's in an institution, but she won't because that would mean living without him. The actual best thing Dylan could do for both Norma and Norman would be the same thing, especially given that Dylan is actually the sole other person in possession of all the facts and with some emotional leverage with Norma and Norman. But that would mean/risk losing one or both of them, and so he won't. And thus the tragedy in development continues. With black humor, even in this super intense season finale. Norma's recapitulation of her relationship with George - "I even went out with her brother and tried to sleep with him" - was priceless. As was her looking up air plane tickets for Norman, Dylan and herself as a way to solve the son-under-suspicion-of-murder problem. Oh, Norma. I'm going to miss you so very much once this show reaches its inevitable conclusion, and yet I'm absolutely thrilled we got another season at least.
Re: 2.10 The Immutable Truth
I should've seen it coming that Norman would disassociate during the polygraph, allowing him to pass it. It was definitely a forehead-smacking moment for me. Although when he sees and talks to "Mother," I don't know that it means the belief will carry through; in other words, I don't know that he will now literally think Norma killed Miss Watson. Will this be like another blackout (as when he disassociated when he confronted Caleb), or closer to the time he was rejected by Bradley last season and stalked off, talking as if Norma? At this point he at least knows that he blacks out and "does things." But that doesn't mean he's going to be clear or remember when it happens again.
When I look at reviews of the show, everyone loves the Norma-Norman relationship especially and loathes the drug plotline. I haven't had as big a problem with that aspect of the show, but it fizzled out unsatisfyingly, I thought. Why the hell even introduce Jodi? Zane was simple but threw a wrench into the works; Jodi just felt like filler. I was excited about the idea of a "bad" female character in a position of power. Ah well. (Also, I guess nothing came of the pearls and article on Miss Watson.) A good contrast would be someone like Cody, who wasn't a season-long character but made a significant impact.
I disagree that Dylan being the new kingpin would erase external threats. I think it could multiply them. I doubt it would be an uncontested assumption of power, not to mention BOTH drug enterprises have lost leaders and are not likely to suddenly get along. And I'm guessing being in the highest position (something Dylan wouldn't be bad at as he's level-headed but doesn't seem interested in) comes with threats and decisions we haven't seen yet. At the very least, I'm guessing there would be conflict between Dylan and Romero.
Speaking of, rather convenient, Dylan running into Romero on the road. I know Romero was headed over there, but seriously. Ditto Norma coming home just after Norman left in time for Emma to see where he went. Narrative convention, blah blah, but this show can do stronger. I did like how this season finale called back to last season when Dylan killed Shelby, saving Norma and Norman, and Romero mopped up.
I must have read Dylan and Norma's conversation about what to do with Norman differently than you. While Norma wanted to run away (another nice bookend: at the start of the first season, Dylan was angry that she and Norman left without telling him whereas this time she got him a ticket to go with), Dylan encouraged her to stick around so that whatever happened with Norman and the polygraph, others would be safe from him (prison, an institution)--and essentially Norman would be safe as well. I didn't see it as him putting who he cares about first. Now, after Norman's passing the polygraph...that's another story, but we don't get much of that.
I love how Norman's disclosure of Dylan's parentage to Emma was both this act of sharing and a manipulation. Norman does care about Emma and knows his mother does, too, but carefully chooses what to tell her so she'll stick around.
Yes, Norman's mentally ill, but that doesn't mean he can't or doesn't have a tragic flaw as well--it seems just as Norma can't let him go, he always gives into her in the end. He bucks her control but never enough to shake it off. The two of them are forever in that dance (and, photos of LBJ notwithstanding, it is less common for Anglo-Americans to kiss adult children on the mouth--even if you just use other American shows as a measure--though Norma's kiss during her and Norman's dance was more lingering and lip-smacking than what she gave Dylan, I do still think they're playing on the show's ever-present incest vibes).
Re: 2.10 The Immutable Truth
No idea. But I think, given that Norman in Psycho really believes it's his dead mother committing the murders and given that he has conversations with her, it's more likely than not that Norman will really believe Norma killed Blair Watson. I've now read the AV Club review which points out the real Norma's face getting blurry while Norma is still in Mother mode, pointing towards imaginary Norma taking more room in his head while real Norma will get less, which sounds plausible to me.
Jodi: I hear you. I, too, thought an evil overlady could be interesting but then they didn't let her do anything. So my cynical guess is the reason why she was in the show was so someone could have sex with Dylan (see also: Dylan getting shirtless this season), providing eye candy for viewers fancying Max Thiorot.
I doubt it would be an uncontested assumption of power, not to mention BOTH drug enterprises have lost leaders and are not likely to suddenly get along.
Perhaps I should rephrase: Dylan becoming the uncontested new kingpin and staying in that position would remove external pressure, and as you said, this is not likely to happen because, for starters, the members of both organizations are hardly going to regard themselves as one happy drug family directly after several of them got killed by each other, but also because some other lieutenants are going to want the head position for themselves.
re: Dylan and Norma conversation - yes, it ends with him persuading her to stay and let Norman take the polygraph, but I don't think Dylan is convinced by the results that Norman is in fact innocent. He looked somewhat sceptical when a relieved Norma hugged him. However, I agree that this isn't necessarily conclusive. It's my assumption, though, that the next season won't open with Dylan trying to persuade Norman to try therapy again. (Though I could be wrong! Thinking about it some more, Dylan is actually in a good position to suggest that right now post reconciliation and Norman saving, and he's aware that even if Norman didn't kill Miss Watson, the blackouts happen.)
I love how Norman's disclosure of Dylan's parentage to Emma was both this act of sharing and a manipulation. Norman does care about Emma and knows his mother does, too, but carefully chooses what to tell her so she'll stick around.
Yes, exactly! It's not an either/or with Norman, it's both. In a way, it's a parallel to his masterful passive aggressive campaign in Meltdown where he pushed every button Norma had to get at her for not telling him the truth. He may not be able to predict Bradley or Cody, but he's really good at reading Norma and Emma.
Yes, Norman's mentally ill, but that doesn't mean he can't or doesn't have a tragic flaw as well--it seems just as Norma can't let him go, he always gives into her in the end.
True, and when they literally dance in this episode, that's a great visual expression for this mutual entanglement. Though Norman's choices are still (at least until now) more limited by his illness than Norma's are. Then again: Norman now does know he killed his father during one blackout. He also has access to the Miss Watson memories, and no matter whether he'll end up believing those were real, or whether he now really believes Norma killed her, either way he's making a decision to cover up another murder.
re: kiss, lol, yes, Norma kissing Norman has a distinctly different subtext than LBJ kissing his father. (Or the briefer kiss for Dylan, for that matter.) Not to mention that they're dancing to a song called "Dream Lover". And two episodes earlier it was clear that Norma having sex with George was a direct reaction to her argument with Norman. But I don't think the show will ever let the two have sex because that to me seems to be a line Norma wouldn't consciously cross. It'll remain on the (overt) subtext level.
3.01 A Death in the Family
Critical thought first: if Norman has killed Annika, I don't know how the show will justify Watsonian-wise that he doesn't get caught long before Marion Crane comes to down. Sure, he's just passed a lie detector test, but Sheriff Romero knows this isn't the ultimate truth telling device, and if there's another murder of a woman who's been near Norman Bates this soon, well... Also, Emma saw Norman leave with Annika, so if Annika's car is back but no Annika, Emma would figure it out, too, and while that would lead to heartbreaking character scenes, I don't see how Emma could stay around, either. So: short of revealing that Annika for some reason told Norman to take the car back (maybe she spotted a client whom she knew would take her home coming to the party?), I am a loss how to predict developments from here.
Everything else: I've missed you, you neurotic bunch of characters! And none more than Norma, who gets the news that her mother (and now we have a name, Francine Calhoun, thanks, show) has died and reacts in typical Norma fashion: pretending she's fine and dandy about it and everything's lovely, then breaking down later. The different conversations she has with her two sons about her mother are telling of the different relationships (and how those have changed and not changed since the start of the show): with Norman, after the first brittle "I'm fine" conversation, the second is an emotional breakdown and illustration of their co-dependent relationship with her using Norman as an emotional band-aid. With Dylan, she's actually communicating and telling him something about the dead woman in question, and the type of relationship she had with her. It's a far cry from the Norma and Dylan arguments in early season 1, btw. Which is true for his remark re: Norman's sleeping arrangement earlier, too; in early s1, Norma would have taken that, probably correctly, as an attack and responded in kind, not with "I hear what you're saying" and a (short lived) attempt to actually listen to said advice.
Of course, Dylan already knows Francine is dead, since Caleb is back in town. This is bad news for the continued emotional welfare of just about everyone but good news for the viewer. Not least in terms of more backstory. So far, Norma and Caleb describe their parents practically identical - father horribly violent, mother clinically insane and doped to the gills; it's the point of Caleb saying the only refuge they had was each other versus Norma remembering being raped from 13 years old onwards that's the difference. (Though it would be entirely in character for many a family rapist to not remember it as rape.) I note that Caleb, who is pretty convincing when claiming he wants just a relatonship with Dylan, is not mentioning anything about Norman turning up in his motel room the last time he was in town, with a knife and with Imaginary Norma speaking through him. Which could be because Caleb doesn't wand to jeapordize his chance at having a relationship with Dylan, but you'd think something like this would come up sooner rather than later, if only in terms of warning. (For all that Caleb knows, Norman does that king of thing all the time.)
Dylan, after the last two seasons, not wanting another shot at drug lord life and wanting to go legit is understandable, but I'm with Alex Romero in finding this pretty naive, given the type of town White Pine Bay is. Also, I'm genre savy. Where there are no more drug lords, there is a power vaccuum. Speaking of Sheriff Romero, it doesn't look like he's still staying at the motel anymore, which on the one hand makes sense - it was only temporary after his house burned down - but otoh is a shame, because how will they arrange for him and Norma to have more awesome scenes together?
3.02. The Arcanum Club
Show, if Dylan is saddled with his own subplot apart from the rest of the gang, solely interacting with drug folk, for the third year in a row, that's a waste. Haven't we established that his best scenes are inevitably with his mother and/or brother? So I shall choose to believe that the current time apart is so he can build up a bond with Caleb in order to justify an upcoming loyality clash better than Dylan instinctively taking Caleb's side last season was. But I want my Masset & Bates interaction, show, and I want it soon.
(Also I note that Caleb still hasn't seen it fit to mention the Norman-as-Norma-with-a-knife incident from last season to Caleb.)
Poor Emma. It couldn't be more glaringly obvious Norman is not sexually attracted to her at all, though he likes her a lot, of course. (And no, I don't think it's just Norman's Oedipus complex coupled with the developing sex followed by violence psychosis that makes him avoid anything sexual with Emma. He had sex with both Bradley and Cody without killing or hurting either of them.) Asking Emma to date him really was in response to Emma's medical condition worsening, and that will probably hurt her even worse than the romantic disinterest would have done in the end. (Leaving aside the question whether Emma will live long enough to find out the truth about Norman.) I loved the Peter Pan conversation, btw, because it works with the dark aspects of Barrie's work, not Disney. Including Peter making Wendy into a mother figure while bypassing the pesky romantic stage altogether, Wendy in the end growing up but not Peter. It hadn't occured to me to read Norman Bates as one version of Peter's refusal to grow up, but it works.
Which does beg the question wheter Norman is going to cast Alex Romero as Captain Hook. (Who is on stage always played by the same actor as Mr. Darling, the father, which was Barrie's idea.) Confirming my assumption from last week, Sheriff Romero is moving out of the motel and into his restored house which doesn't make Norma (or him?) any happier than it does me. That goodbye scene with neither of them knowing whether to shake hands or hug, until it resolves in an awkward hug, and then Norma running after his car to make that simple "you make me feel safe" statement was adorable. Well, for this show. Of course, I was mentally yelling at Norma to tell him about Annika's disappearance, assuming this would be the last Romero scene for the episode or at least their last interaction in said episode, but no, more goodness was to come, more about this in a moment. First, about that "You make me feel safe". Norma's never felt safe. She's neurotic, damaged and damaging, and often unhinged, yes, but look at her life, starting out in a household with a brutally abusive father, a crazy mother and a brother who turned from an ally into a rapist. Her married life included more abuse, and now she's living in a town where she got raped on her first day and things went downhill from there, including such highlights as rotting corpses in her bed and being almost certain her son is a budding killer. Paranoia is her default modus, and it's for a reason. So telling Alex Romero something like this is more meaningful than practically anything else.
Don't get me wrong: Norma is doomed by prequel and will end up as a corpse courtesy of her son if she does develop stronger feelings for a man she's not related to again. But that will happen either way, so I'm rooting for more Norma and Alex in between. And the show is kind to me this way! Because next Norma, faced with the alternative that either Norman has killed another girl or he's telling the truth and the girl still disappeared, only courtesy to a shady rich men's club straight out of Twin Peaks, decides to go undercover to investigate. Which Audrey Horne could have told her never goes well. Otoh she does meet Sheriff Romero again this way and this time she does tell him the truth, amazingly, the whole truth, including that Norman was the last person seen with the disappeared Annika. Romero's expression was priceless. (Nestor Carbonell, I like you much more in this role than in the later stages of Lost once Richard ended up getting a Telenovela backstory) I can't wait to find out where that one will lead.
Mind you, it made me cautiously optimistic it will turn out that against likelihood, Norman actually is innocent of this latest death (for it is a death, as the episode concludes with the body being found), because I don't see how Romero would let that one slide. He's okay with drug dealers as long as they stick to the town rules, but not with serial killers, after all.
Lastly: Norma versus the bypass sign was hilarious. And utterly understandable. Norma, I know how you feel.
3.03. Persusion
Whereas from Norman's pov, the mother for whose sake he decided to live last season instead of killing himself keeps demonstrating she doesn't trust him, when he's innocent, tells the Sheriff who already suspected him of murder once that he, Norman, is the last person to see the likely murdered Annika alive and seems to have mysterious meetings with said Sheriff anyway. And because Norman by all indications can't tell the difference between real Norma and Mother (i.e. the Norma he hallucinates, who is really a part of his own psyche), his mother also tells him to simulate his most terrible experience so he can find out he's guilty after all, in a downright gaslighting manner.
It's a rapidly escalating tragedy with incredibly compelling acting (Freddie Highmore takes it up another level in this episode, and Vera Farmiga is sublime as always, from the funny - her disbelieving expression at the morgue when she realises the girl isn't Annika after all - to the heartrendering, starting to cry once she's outside the house culminating in falling on her knees in the motel office because at this point it looks like she can't avoid the truth, that her son is turning into a monster, anymore, just before fate gives her another gruesome break by delivering a living yet dying by gunshot and hence not Norman Annika. Oh, and she's awesome as Mother, because she plays her differently from regular Norma (not so much that the two are unrelated, of course, but Mother is calmer, more commanding, and despite her more conservative dressing and hairstyle - not Mother wears her hair in the old fashioned knot Norma's corpse will have in Psycho, which real Norma doesn't - cooly seductive, which Norma is not). For the audience, there's never a question who is who, which is important.
Meanwhile, Emma puts on the sexy and finally does get a reaction out of Norman, which is worrying because Norman. Even more worryingly for Emma, she finds out Dylan is currently hanging out with Caleb the rapist uncle/father. Emma promises not to tell, but let's face it, secret keeping isn't Emma's strong suit. Especially from Norma, whom she's told someting she promised not to tell twice already. For me as an audience member, the day she tells Norma or Norman can't come soon enough because I want Dylan to interact with either of them again, damm it! Enough with the Caleb bonding in preparation for conflict already.
Oh, and our favourite morally ambigous Sheriff, in addition to two dead girls to investigate and the Bates family to worry about, also seems to be facing election problems this year. I'm already more invested in Sheriff Romero's reelection than I ever was in Alicia Florrick's campaign over at The Good Wife, not least because with Romero I know why he wants to stay Sheriff and that he does want it, strongly. (Not just to have continued UST with Norma.)
Lastly: making Annika NOT Norman's next victim was a smart choice, I think, because if Norman's killing rate would accelerate this quickly with him as a suspect it really would defy belief he remains undiscovered until he's in his mid 20s. As to what's on the USB stick: since the only problem Norma and Norman both have that he told Annika about is the by pass, I assume this must be someting related to said by pass?