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Once Upon a Time: Home Base

This is the home base for Once Upon a Time!!!

This wonderful show is currently in its third season.
Season three has been split into two 11 episode mini seasons.
Each with their own story arc.

Part one of season three has already aired.
Part two starts March 9th 2014.
It should air every Sunday for 11 weeks in a row.
Once Upon a Time airs Sundays 8pm EST in the US on ABC

Episodes already aired:
3x01 - 3x11
I started a comment thread here if anyone wants to talk about the first half of the season.
Comment thread for links to OUaT fanworks.

3x12: New York City Serenade [March 9, 2014]
3x13: Witch Hunt [March 16, 2014]
3x14: The Tower [March 23, 2014]
3x15: Quiet Minds [March 30, 2014]
3x16:It's Not Easy Being Green [April 06, 2014]
3x17: The Jolly Roger [April 13, 2014]
3x18: Bleeding Through [April 20, 2014]
3x19: A Curious Thing [April 27, 2014]
3x20: Kansas [May 04, 2014]
3x21: Snow Drifts & 3x22 "There's No Place Like Home" [May 11, 2014]

Upcoming Episodes:

We'll be back in the Fall with season Four!!!

-A new comment will be posted for each new episode.
-Once Upon a Time Primer can be found here...

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Big episode tonight from what I understand...slightly spoiled already...

What did you think?
I'll be back later tonight after I see the episode.

Goodbye Neal.

I was spoiled a couple of hours before I watched this. On purpose because I was pretty sure (because of other spoilers) that the death would occur in either this or the next episode and I really needed to know. That said, even if I hadn't know, I would have known (knowing there was a death coming up in general this season) that it would be Neal and now when Hook hugged him and when Neal called him "Killian". It was a beautiful moment and I knew it was going to be their last.

Sad episode. I've never been a huge fan of Neal's but I still cried. I have so many thoughts and feelings about this episode it's going to take more time to process them.

Oh my God. I just saw this episode. I'm so angry; Neal ruins everything. Five minutes they have this huge goodbye with sacrifices all around he has to try and undue it, and then Rumple loses the knife to save him and he undoes that too and arrrrgh. ;_;

I'd only been spoiled for the fact someone would die sometime this season, and as I didn't expect it to be this early I didn't see this coming at all; I have admit, part of me is glad it's not someone I'm more emotionally invested in (which is kind of creepy), but still.

I was pretty sure it was going to be Neal when I heard that one of the regulars was going to be killed off. I became more sure with rumors that he stopped filming a while ago and I heard the death was either in 3x15 or 3x16. I didn't want anyone to be killed off really but if it had to be someone I was glad it was him. I was sad for the other characters his death had impact on though.

What drives me really nuts about the choices he made here is that Emma and Henry weren't in danger. He knew that. He had time to find a better way to get to them. He knew that what he was doing was going to be bad, even Belle wanted to stop him when she figured out that cost would be too high and she's in love with Rumple. But no, he had to do it anyway.

Obviously there was another way to cross to the Land without magic...or else Hook wouldn't have been able to get to Emma. I have no idea how he did it but obviously it was possible.

Sometimes I think Neal just spend too many years in Neverland as a teen and just never really grew up. Hook may have spent just as long, if not longer but he was an adult already...

I don't know. Neal's gone now anyways, of course it's because of his actions that a new curse got cast in the first place and for nothing. He got to briefly see Emma and never got to see his son again. I guess I can stop complaining about him now that he's gone though.

Yes, I remember you guessed Neal. I didn't think it'd be him because we already thought he'd died half a season ago (and I'm not looking forward to either having to watch the fallout again, or it having less of an impact on everyone this time because... no reason).

The problem is, I liked that about Neal. That he was kind of an idiot. So it doesn't make me less sad about his death.

I remember loving how unsatisfying his and Rumple's reunion was, how Neal didn't hate him but never seemed to quite forgive him – I love how it wasn't a clear-cut thing, especially in contrast with that false reunion Rumple had with August, which followed a simple script with anger and then forgiveness – but after a certain time I started thinking it's a problem Neal can't move past this. (A problem for him as a person, I mean; I don't think it was a problem in the writing, I liked it.) I mean, getting abandoned by his father like that is not a minor thing, but I couldn't help feeling he forever remains defined by it; so I agree he never quite grows up, but I think it's not just Neverland, but him not being able to get past this defining moment of his childhood. And that's understandable but ends up being a problem when both Rumple and him have such an impact on other people's life, that for him it is all about that one moment, and about who Rumple is to him. Because I think that's part of why he brought Rumple back so thoughtlessly? To him, Rumple is his family, and, like, he and his family – that includes Belle now, but that's it – have rights on him, and the fact that Rumple has been influencing several worlds in a significant way and is dangerously powerful doesn't really weight into it. Because that's something Bae's never liked and cared about anyway.

I really liked those hints, earlier in the season, when Neal wanted to go to Neverland, that he's quite capable of being quite ruthless when it's about getting his son back. But I thought this now, was rather rushed. Like you said, there was no hurry. I guess he was really desperate and not thinking, but still. Why not listen to this random magical candle that you just met and that is just conveniently standing around?
I was cheering for Belle and her reasonableness.

I was sad for the other characters his death had impact on though.
To be honest, that's the main reason I'm sad...

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Hopefully tonight's episode isn't as much of a downer as last week's.

Discuss away...

Walsh is the Wizard of Oz!!!! And the first flying monkey :(

I can't handle that. I don't want to feel bad for flying monkey boy. I don't want to feel bad for Zelena! Dammit!!!

We still don't know who Zelena's birth father is, so my theory may still be correct. I can't believe Cora gave up Zelena who ended up being able to do magic.

That's twice Rumple's messed up the chance to get to the world without magic without the curse. The first time was with the bean and Milah and Killian, if only he had taken that deal instead of killing Milah and cutting off Killian's hand.

And the second time with Zelena and the slippers. Dammit, I love Rumple, but what the hell???

Also, Rumple's future sight sucks. Seriously, he didn't know about Zelena, he didn't know that Henry was his grandson. What the hell use is the seer power anyways. It seems to just make you make stupid decisions.

Regina literally giving Robin her heart! That was so beautiful. I feel bad that she's not really letting him in, but honestly this really isn't the time. And seriously this, her trusting her heart to him means so much more right now.

The Captain Cobra (Hook and Henry) bits were sweet and funny. Poor Killian being confused by modern tech. GPS???? Aye?

This episode gave me so many feels and the promo for the next one (Hook-centric) is killing me already.

This show!!!!

That revelation about Walsh changed my mind. Go marry him, Emma! It's not his fault he was enslaved by Zelena, you guys can work this out!

I absolutely do want to feel bad for Zelena. It's more fun if I care about every side of the conflict.
I don't remember your theory about Zelena's father, what was it?

Weird, the revelation about Walsh being the Wizard made me dislike his involvement with Emma even more. Even if I didn't ship Captain Swan and Hook wasn't in the picture, I wouldn't like it.

Emma hates people not being who they seem, she hates the idea of false hope and traditionally the Wizard is the epitome of false hope and not being who he seems to be at all. He's all illusions and lies. It seems to be the case here too. I feel bad that Zelena enslaved him but I want him with Emma even less now then when I thought he was a just a random guy enslaved by the Wicked Witch.

Then again, I did just read the first Wizard of Oz book and it's still fresh in my mind. I'm not a fan of the wizard in general, I guess.

They won't make it happen anyways. The actor is a lead in another show so can only do a few episodes of OUaT anyways.

My theory is that Zelena's father is King Leopold...Snow's dad. From before he married Snow's mother. It would have given Cora an added reason to hate and kill Eva (Snow's mother). It would also make the family tree even more twisted. Though it would make it weird that she had Regina marry him later...but she didn't have her heart at that point, so she probably wouldn't have cared.

Ah, I wasn't really serious, about Emma/Walsh. But I'm a fan of the wizard in the book (I love people getting away with pretending to have great innate power instead of really having it), so that makes me like him more, and I am quite happy that this random guy has some backstory. I don't really feel that makes him more false than before, from Emma's POV (in general, sure, but don't see it making much difference for the personal betrayal).

Ooooh, that is one interesting theory. I'm not sure I buy it, but I do hope for Cora having more reason for hating Eva so much, and that would work (her indirectly attacking Snow too, who's utterly innocent, because of Snow getting the things her own daughter couldn't). And well, since Regina isn't his daughter herself, I wouldn't put it past Cora. I do wonder at him agreeing to it though, because he sees himself as a better person than that, I'd say; it might actually be a roundabout way of making it up to Cora from his POV though.

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Yeah, I think I see it from Emma's point of view too much. It was her first long-term relationship and it was all lies. And personally I tend to dislike that sort of thing.

Charcter-wise...I'm glad they decided to do more with Walsh than just make him a flying monkey/WWotW minion. It also explains why they kept his identity so under wraps too.

I wonder what he wanted Zelena to get him from Rumple?

We have yet to see what Leopold was like when he was young though, he may not have been as nice. Eva wasn't. She was the one that fussed when Cora spilled the flour on her and wanted her to kneel. It was later that she became a much nicer person it seems. Maybe she learned from her mistakes?

I guess we'll find out eventually though.

Yes, I understand. It was pretty awful; but that's part of why I hope maybe they can make up to some extend? Or at least talk it out and decide they can't...
I'm glad that him having an interesting background will mean they'll probably actually deal with this, instead of just leaving it at 'oh hey Emma was going to marry a flying monkey, let's not talk about the trauma that must have caused'.

I don't wonder at him having a child with Cora when he was young, but at him agreeing to marry that woman's daughter when he's old, knowing that he slept with the mother (even if maybe he doesn't even know about the child), 'cause that's a bit fucked up.

I don't wonder at him having a child with Cora when he was young, but at him agreeing to marry that woman's daughter when he's old, knowing that he slept with the mother (even if maybe he doesn't even know about the child), 'cause that's a bit fucked up.

True...unless she made him forget. By then Cora had her powers. She could have made him forget he ever new her before, let alone was intimate with her.

That's true, and certainly a Cora-like thing to do.

I'm glad that him having an interesting background will mean they'll probably actually deal with this, instead of just leaving it at 'oh hey Emma was going to marry a flying monkey, let's not talk about the trauma that must have caused'.

Oh, I wanted to address this too...

I do hope they come around to this again. I will say I'm not holding my breathe though, considering Neal never dealt with the fact that he was going to marry Tamara who happened to be a minion of Peter Pan's (without actually realizing that was who she served...but whatever). I mean we got his little quip about it shortly before he died, but that was it.

he went from being engaged, shot by his fiance, going through a portal and then doing everything he could to get back with Emma without ever dealing with or talking about the whole Tamara thing and it drove me crazy.

At least Emma's talked about the Walsh thing a bit more (because Hook made her) than Neal ever talked about Tamara post "break up".

I have no idea how many episodes they got Chris Gorham for though. From what I understand it wasn't a lot. But if it was mostly studio stuff they could have kept it secret, so who knows?

Oh, that is true! I know everybody hated Tamara and Greg, and I'm not a fan either, but since they were already there and were... kind of important to Neal and Regina respectively, and especially the former, I really wanted them to be explored further rather than just killed off and that's it (also because I'm pretty sure Tamara had a reason for hating magic and I'd have liked to find out; but her history with Neal just being brushed aside really makes no sense; and now it's never to be explored).
...dammit, I'd forgotten how annoying this is, now I'm angry about it again.

I felt bad for Greg. I didn't like him but I felt bad for him and he was entirely justified in wanting revenge and wanting to end magic. He was foolish not to care who he was taking orders from, but that's another story.

Tamara I didn't like at all, and I think that was because we were never given a reason to feel bad for her. I would have loved to know why she hated magic. But no, they never went there.

Neal never even asked what happened to her. On Neverland Tink was walking around wearing Tamara's watch that she looted off of her body and Neal never said a thing...or never noticed, or whatever but still. I don't remember him ever asking what happened to her in the end, and he was going to marry her. Even with Emma back in his life, he was still in love with Tamara right up until she shot him.

I kept waiting for it to be addressed, for him to ask about her or at least mention here, but no. He didn't even seem to care about the betrayal after or deal with it. He was just all "Emma, Emma, Henry, Henry..." and that was it.

Yeah. I'm actually still hoping maybe Greg isn't dead, since he was killed the same way Blue was (?), but I'm not holding my breath. 's convenient for everyone's reconciliation with Regina, I suppose?

And, I mean, I always enjoy Gold not having to take responsibility for things (like Regina had a mob at her door at the start of season 2, and all Gold got was Emma yelling at him for a minute; no hard feelings about him trying to kill her and Snow later either, ...), but I'm honestly not sure if him being the one who murders Tamara isn't an issue because he's not going to correct everyone's assumption, it or if the writers just didn't feel it was worth bringing up.

I'm not entirely sure if Neal was truly in love with Tamara (I'd like to think not because it makes his indifference slightly easier to swallow, and wasn't feeling the affection even before), or if she was just there, and he liked her and he really needed someone. Only even if that was the case, she was basically the most important person in his life and someone he'd chosen to spend his life with. Dude.

I'm not entirely sure if Neal was truly in love with Tamara

I believe that he at least thought he was at the time. He whined about how he needed her when he told Emma that he asked Tamara to come to Storybrooke (even though he knew it was a bad idea because...magic!).

He pressured Emma into meeting her because he felt she was going to be a part of their lives because of Henry...so even if he wasn't actually in love with her, I don't think he actually realized that until she shot him. I'd really hope he would at least want a little time to process that whole thing, even if he wasn't truly in love with her, but obviously the writers didn't think so. Or they did and it got cut for time issues, who knows?

I think the writers teased once that Greg could still be alive (like Blue) or at least not to rule it out.

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I'm not unhappy that Hook fell back to his "pirate" ways during the lost year. I would have been surprised if he hadn't.

Though I was amused to see his "pirating" on land thing. I'm pretty sure that's being a bandit, not a pirate...but whatever.

The Blackbeard thing seemed a bit anti-climactic. I loved seeing Ariel being badass. I was sad, but not surprised that he wouldn't give up his ship for Eric's location.

What hurt so bad was how much he was hurting from the stuff he had done. How much he regretted it.
What hurt that the Ariel in Storybrooke was actually Zelena...Fucking Cora and her kids and their disguise shit.

I hate that Hook is cursed now, with a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I loved that he admitted his love for Emma out loud. I hate that it ended up being to Zelena.

I hate hate hate hate hate Zelena now.

I knew as a huge Hook fan and Captain Swan shipper that this episode would break my heart so much, but I didn't realize just how much.

Other thoughts: I'm not sure how good an idea it is for Emma to be learning magic from a currently "heartless" Regina...just saying.

David taking Henry driving! I loved Regina's reactions even better.

I loved Regina putting a protection spell around the Charmings' place. She's come a long way, hasn't she? Then again she has someone new to hate now!

I'm glad that Eric and Ariel are together now and outside of the curse's range.

The Blackbeard thing seemed a bit anti-climactic.
Right? Blackbeard is so dangerous. And then... Hook walks up to him and he agrees to single combat for no apparent reason and then seems really eager to die. It was kind of cool though.

Fucking Cora and her kids and their disguise shit.
Seriously, stop it everyone!

I'm not sure Emma's magic lessons are the best idea either, but I'm enjoying them so very much I don't care.

I loved Regina's reactions even better.
Me too! Regina is being fantastic.

Didn't Pan do this "don't tell anyone else" thing twice with Hooks? Once about Neal being alive, and once with Charming and the poison? And both times Hook just went and told everyone? It was different, but still. Tell them! Tell them! You don't have to do this alone!

I'm enjoying Emma's lessons with Regina as well, and while they may not be the best of ideas...desperate times/desperate measures and all that.

Yes, Pan did. Pan also used to say "Peter Pan never fails" just like Zelena says "Wicked always wins" and we see how well that went for Pan ;)

I think Hook was going to try and talk to David when he went to the apartment but Emma was there and he couldn't. Of course then David would be like...You shouldn't even be thinking about kissing my daughter...

Thoughts? Feelings?

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