Speak Up Saturday

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Welcome to the weekly roundup post! What are you watching this week? What are you excited about?

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Re: Regarding Joss

[author_by_night]

Marti Noxon wrote most of the episodes with Xander in S2, or wrote for the character. And Whedon didn't write The Pack.

That's a good point.

I don't really like The Pack, but I WILL say one thing for it: At one point, Giles basically says "boys will be boys" (GILES NO) and Buffy dresses him down for it. So that is another indication that they were trying to subvert tropes, to some extent. That it actually isn't normal for a teenager to be awful to his friends, even if he's a boy.


2. Whedon's main goal in writing the series was to subvert the slasher/horror film trope that he grew up watching in the 70s and 80s, also the teen romantic films by John Hughes, which normalized the incel trope. And to examine abuses of power, along with male toxicity.

I think it might be helpful if I was a little more familiar with the horror films of the seventies and eighties. I have seen a few John Hughes films though, and certainly I know what you mean. Talk about incels and abuses of power.

hink that may be why Jonathan, Andrew, Warren, and other characters were introduced - so they could do it without losing the Xander character completely.

Ooh, good point.

Re: Regarding Joss

[shadowkat]

I think it might be helpful if I was a little more familiar with the horror films of the seventies and eighties. I have seen a few John Hughes films though, and certainly I know what you mean. Talk about incels and abuses of power.

The John Hughes films would be enough, I think. The Scream Films by Kevin Williamson (I think that's his last name?) who did Vampire Diaries and Dawson's Creek - also reference the slasher flicks. I'm not really a horror fan - so while I've seen them, I can't say it's a genre I like all that much.
Buffy does a good job of subverting and commenting on the tropes though.

Which may explain why it dates well? It kind of comments on with snarky aplomb various politically incorrect bits from the 20th Century.

Cordelia's another character that kind of ripped into those old tropes.