tv_talk | Veronica Mars: Rewatch Home Base

Veronica Mars originally aired in 2004-2007.
It was created by Rob Thomas
It ran for three seasons before being canceled.
There are 64 epiosdes
There's also a Veronica Mars Movie being released March 14, 2014
We'll be watching four episodes a week for 16 weeks
February 1 - May 17 2014
Come in and comment on an existing episode thread anytime.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW:

SEASON ONE:
General Discussion Thread: Talk about your general experience with Veronica Mars.
Fanworks Link Thread: Link to your own Veronica Mars fanworks past and present.
Discussion Threads for episodes: 1x01: Pilot, 1x02: Credit Where Credit is Due, 1x03: Meet John Smith, and 1x04: The Wrath of Con
Discussion Threads for episodes: 1x05: You Think You Know Somebody, 1x06: Return of the Kane, 1x07: The Girl Next Door, and 1x08: Like a Virgin
Discussion Threads for episodes: 1x09: Drinking the Kool-Aid, 1x10: An Echolls Family Christmas, 1x11: Silence of the Lamb and 1x12: Clash of the Tritons
Discussion Threads for episodes: 1x13: Lord of the Bling, 1x14: Mars vs. Mars, 1x15: Ruskie Business, and 1x16: Betty and Veronica.
Discussion Threads for episodes: 1x17: Kanes and Abel's, 1x18: Weapons of Class Destruction, 1x19: Hot Dogs and 1x20: M.A.D.
Discussion Threads for episodes: 1x21: A Trip to the Dentist and 1x22: Leave it to Beaver

SEASON TWO:
Discussion Threads for episodes: 2x01: Normal is the Watchword and 2x02: Diver Ed
Discussion Threads for episodes: 2x03: "Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang", 2x04: "Green Eyed Monster", 2x05: "Blast from the Past" and 2x06: "Rat Saw God"
Discussion Threads for episodes: 2x07: "Nobody puts Baby in a Corner", 2x08: "Ahoy, Mateys!", 2x09: "My Mother, the Fiend" and 2x10: "One Angry Veronica"
Discussion Threads for episodes: 2x11: "Donut Run", 2x12: "Rashard and Wallace Go to White Castle", "2x13: Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough" and 2x14: "Versatile Toppings"
Discussion Threads for episodes: 2x15: "The Quick and the Wed", 2x16: "The Rapes of Graff", 2x17: "Plan B", and 2x18: "I Am God"
2x19: "Nevermind the Buttocks", 2x20: "Look Who's Stalking", 2x21: "Happy Go Lucky" and 2x22: "Not Pictured"

SEASON THREE:
Discussion Threads for episodes:
3x01: "Welcome Wagon", 3x02: "My Big Fat Greek Rush Week", 3x03: "Wichita Linebacker, 3x04: "Charlie Don't Surf"
3x05 "President Evil", 3x06 "Hi, Infidelity", 3x07 "Of Vice and Men" , 3x08 "Lord of the Pi's", 3x09 "Spit & Eggs"
3x10 "Show Me the Monkey" , 3x11 "Poughkeepsie, Tramps and Thieves", 3x12 "There's Got to Be a Morning After Pill"
3x13 "Postgame Mortem", 3x14 "Mars, Bars", 3x15 "Papa's Cabin", 3x16 "Un-American Graffiti", 3x17 "Debasement Tapes"
3x18 "I know What You'll Do Next Summer" , 3x19 "Weevils Wobble But They Don't Go Down", 3x20 "The Bitch is Back"

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This is actually a great early first season episode. It wasn't a favorite, but rewatching it, it reminded me how great this show could use the weekly cases to echo the season-long mysteries thematically (Veronica wondering about her mom; Justin searching for his dad).

I do think I was always surprised and impressed by the fact that the case involved a transgender character. I'm pretty sure I didn't see the resolution to the mystery coming. And hey, Melissa Leo!

I always wondered if I would have liked Duncan more if someone else played him. I just never connected with or liked him, which in turn made Veronica's residual feelings for him weird for me to take in. Like really, that guy?

Logan is by turns a concerned and douche-y friend this episode. I'm always struck by his immaturity when Duncan hurts himself after that stunt. Sometimes I think people conveniently forget that Logan IS a jerk sometimes.

Hey, Ms. James! Bachelorette #1 for Keith. And Wallace and Keith meet for the first time. :)

You know, I used to like Jake Kane, actually. I don't even know why. Celeste isn't that bad this episode. I think because Jake was nice to Veronica I liked him better.

I never forget that Logan is sometimes a jerk. To be honest given Logan's background I'm surprised he's not more of a jerk.

I really like how the case evolved. How the kid really thought his dad was dead and just wanted to spend time with Veronica but then it turned out that his dad wasn't dead, that his mother had lied to him all these years. I liked that twist and I really liked that it involved a transgender character. I remember being very surprised about it the first time I watched.

I was annoyed how Jake and Celeste were treating Duncan in this episode. I feel that Jake sometimes has his moments but I hated how they kept badgering Duncan about his future and didn't really spend any time really trying to see what was actually going on with their son.

Sometimes I kind of like Duncan but mostly he's kind of flat. I'm not sure if it was the actor or the character.

Narrative convenience, of course, makes things very neat there with Veronica revealing she's found out Justin's dad is dead JUST as they learn he might not be! Reminds me of the situation with Logan and his mom later on in the season.

To be fair, Celeste was trying to get Jake to relax on the whole "get involved" thing. It's been a year since Lilly died, and I don't blame them for trying to get him past it in their own ways. Plus, don't forget they think he murdered their daughter.

I know Celeste was trying to get Jake to relax with the whole thing and I understand Jake is trying to help. I just have this weird thing about fictional parents that try to control and direct without actually trying to understand their child. What if Duncan really wanted to be a life coach or something else equally unacceptable to his father?

I hated that he scoffed at the suggestion even though I thought it was crazy and out of the blue too. What if he had wanted to be an artist or a writer? How would his parents react to that?

I know they think he murdered their daughter but in a way that's worse to me. It's like Jake feels that if Duncan doesn't live up to his expectations and make something out of his life then he put an innocent man in jail for nothing.

And I think the cynical part of me feels that Celeste was only trying to get Jake to relax about the whole thing because she's afraid that pushing Duncan too much could make him flip out and kill someone else. (not that he has killed anyone, just that she thinks so).

I don't know, I just tend to be overly critical of TV parents I think. I always have been even now that I'm older and a parent myself and I can see it from both sides. I know I should probably be more sympathetic towards them but there are really only a few occasions that I can bring myself not to hate them.

I believe Celeste was suggesting they get a life coach for Duncan, not that he be one.

I mean, I'm not the hugest fan of the Kanes or anything. I'm just saying I understand that they'd want to see him be an active teenager a year out from their daughter's death. I don't believe it's necessarily about fulfilling expectations. And to be honest, fearing that pushing him too far, that he might "snap" again, is actually a valid concern for them at the time. On the other hand, the show also goes to show that Duncan, for Celeste especially, is the favored child, and they want him to go on with his life after Lilly's death (as you note, given the cost of that life in particular).

Huh, checking the internet it does seem you are right and that it was Celeste suggesting they get a life coach for Duncan. Weird I've seen this episode so many times...I'm thinking the closed captioning isn't completely accurate at that point then. I'm hard of hearing and I can mostly hear a show if it's loud enough and I'm wearing headphones but I still miss stuff and if I have access to captions I use them but sometimes they are not exact or clear.

That does change things a bit. I think part of my issue with them in a lot of ways is that I am extremely introverted and never dealt well with suggestions that I get more involved with things at school, or be more social or find something practical to do with my future. It created a lot of anxiety in me that no one noticed or considered valid.

So I think I project a lot of that there when in actuality Duncan isn't really introverted and was a pretty active teen before Lilly's death from what we've seen. I don't know, I guess the Kanes just rub me the wrong way in a lot ways. Even if I can see their side sometimes I can't bring myself to like them.

I'm pretty introverted, too, but I never felt very pressured by my parents to do things. I did things my friends were involved in or that I thought I might like. But I think you're right in that Duncan himself wasn't an introvert, and we see that later in the season. It really is a change of behavior for him due to Lilly's death (and, you know, what he thinks about his relation to Veronica).

I really don't like the Kanes for the most part, especially Celeste (admitting, again, that I did like Jake sometimes because he can be nice to Veronica), but I can occasionally see their side of things. :)

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