tv_talk | Sleepy Hollow 1.05 Discussion Post

SO AWESOME!!!

- So now Crane has a home! Much to the dismay of everyone who was hoping he'd move in with Abbie. ;) But I'm glad they aren't leaving him stuck in that motel.

- More language skills this week!

- Luke really, really doesn't like Crane, does he? (Which probably means a dozen slash stories are going to appear on AO3 in the next few days.)

- The big question, of course: was Irving the one who set up Crane's background? Maybe he really does know everything! But if he can do that, he's probably not working alone. Who else is in on the conspiracy?

Edited 2013-10-15 02:10 (UTC)

I like crane's new house! its an excellent home base :D

Ahahah luke is THWARTED

i hope there is a conspiracy of people behind the good side

Isn't it! I like how they went with that.

LOL!

I really hope so. They need all the help they can get. (So maybe Irving isn't so much Skinner as a Skinner/Giles fusion?)

You got a new icon!

Yeah it was a fun ep. I maybe don't care as much about it because i have no idea about some of the American history aspects of the show but oh well.

I can't wait to see how things play out.

I DID. i have a few new ones, but i had to delete teen wolf icons.

Yes! who set it up so that he's a visiting professor? That was awesome.

So awesome. And so unexpected. I'm hoping we get more about that.

This. For the rest of the episode I was in serious suspension of disbelief mode, but here? All I could think was who/what/how? Huh?

I'm still leaning toward Irving, but I guess we'll see. Maybe something supernatural is going on...phone calls through time!

I am starting to have a headcanon that Capt. Irving is a member of the good witch coven

Yes! He MUST be, right? *hopes*

Okay this is really bothering me. If the language Crane was speaking to the villagers was indeed Middle English...then why are they speaking that? The colony was established in the 1600s right? So wouldn't modern English have emerged by this time? I mean I know a language doesn't change overnight but I found that to be..a bit odd.

What did Katrina do? I feel like she has a dark secret but she may have done it to help someone or something and it's just eating at her.

The colony is from the late 1500s, according to Google. Early Modern English was definitely emerging then, but I think it was a transition period? So maybe some people clung to Middle English? (ETA: Okay, most of the transition happened during the late 1400s/early 1500s, so they probably should have been speaking Early Modern. I'll just head!canon it that they were from a very rural area where Early Modern hadn't spread yet, while completely ignoring everything we know about the actual lost colony. Change was slower then, right?)

Or maybe they just want wanted to show off Crane's language abilities again, and give him a reason to be involved.

I know! We've been promised a lot more information about Katrina at some point, and I'm so looking forward to it.

Edited 2013-10-15 02:37 (UTC)

lol sorry, I can't resist: language change actually happened much much faster before widespread literacy. There's basically no way those people sounded like Chaucer. :( But I'm going to ignore logic because I enjoyed it so much.

I'm not surprised the rate of change was faster in any given area, but I'm a little surprised it spread everywhere that fast. I mean, given the huge variety of accents and dialects, it seemed from a layman's perspective like there was a heavy degree of localization. So that's interested.

yeah, I mean obviously change was not uniform, in so far as the sounds, but the rate is fairly constant. This sort of thing is endlessly messy (obviously lol) but there can be like, maps drawn through time that clearly show the shifts and their movements geographically. So while the colonists of Roanoake would have largely come from the home counties, if not all from London proper, even within such a small space, dialectal phenomena were not unknown. Regardless though, in a large town like London, the spread of language change would be very rapid, as folks adapt to what they hear in an attempt to blend in and/or be in vogue. ok I'm going to stop being a Historical Linguistics nerd now. haha can you tell I found one of the few places where my random trivia is relevant? ;)

I can't wait to hear more about Katrina!!!

Yes!

Yes! I mean, I loved that they used Middle English and all, but the colonists would have sounded more like Shakespeare than Chaucer, which seems like a rather egregious mismatch just for the sake of a bit.

I've really been enjoying this show. More than I thought I would. I think I'm being distracted by all of the quiet, subtle ways they are subverting modern norms, so I'm overlooking some of the more hand wavey stuff.

Like: I really dig the way there are people of color in positions of authority. That there are people of color as leads in a horror/fantasy series, and they aren't just cannon fodder.

Add in the revisionist history elements, where the founding fathers were heroes and apparently not racists; Crane, representing the era, apparently content with a meritocracy that has women in charge, etc. These are very enjoyable from a sociological perspective. It makes me overlook weird plot contrivances.

For instance: the Roanoake colonists would have sounded like Shakespeare, not Chaucer. Not by miles. But it was nice to see Middle English used as a plot device.

This show is just so much fun, that I barely care when it makes less than complete sense. And I'm enjoying the rising triangle between Mills, Crane and Mills' ex--what's his name. Because I think that's going to go in an unexpected direction.

Hmm...I'm not sure we've actually heard that the founding fathers weren't racist? Maybe that's something Crane violently disagreed with them on, but set aside for the fight? (Of course, I know very little about American history beyond the broad strokes of revolution, civil war, so there have probably been dozens of contradictions that I haven't caught.)

The show is so, so much fun. And I'm loving the whole dynamic between Mills, Crane, and Morales too. That's one of my favourite parts of the show now. I'm kind of hoping they don't put Crane and Mills together, but I'd love to see Morales push the plot in an unexpected direction (and eventually be thwarted...or won over as an ally).

I feel like inventing a drinking game for every time they mangle U.S. history but I don't think I can handle that much booze. At least they're consistently strange about it, so that's good. If it appeared like they were pretending to get things right it would probably not work as well.

The fact that Thomas was returned from the dead and NOT a time traveler or stuck-in-time kid was a nice twist.

See, this is when it's an advantage not to be American. I have no idea when they screw things up.

But we could totally rewatch and play the existing Sleepy Hollow drinking game when I'm there. While you rant. ;)

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