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tv_talk2013-10-10 11:55 am
raktajinos) wrote in tv_talk2013-10-10 11:55 am
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Nashville 2x03 Discussion
Lets talk Nashville 2x03 'I Dont Wanna Talk About it Now'
- What was your favourite musical performance of the night?
- How much do we hate the new boss of Edgehill?
- Can Juliette actually be friends with anyone? Will she push herself to actually make emotional connections with people? Is Avery the one to do this with? Can she be friends with a guy and only friends?
- Will Rayna split from Edgehill? And how badass will it be?
- Do you think she'll take Juliette with her?
- Gunner and Zoey ? Yay or Nay?
- Do we think Gunner is going to get signed to Highway 65?
- Do you miss Gunner and Scarlett - either as a couple or as a musical duo?
- The long-reaching consequences of Rayna's vocal issues?
- Liam, trustworthy or not?
- How do you feel about Deacon's struggle with sobriety, anxiety and responsibility?
- Do you think he's going to become an important figure in Maddie's life?
- Are Deacon and Rayna truly over now or will they always be circling around each other?
- When will Teddy find out about Peggy's fake pregnancy - and how the heck does she think she's going to pull this one off?
- The introduction of Layla is interesting. Thoughts? She's the 'American Idol' type character - we're seeing the other side of a tv show winner entering the professional world of singing.
- Lets talk about Will. Do you agree with his choice to go with Edgehill over Rayna? Do you agree with his choice to play 'straight' for the sake of his career when he's clearly bi or gay? Is he just positively charming? And yay or nay to the black studded cowboy hat?
These are of course just suggestions (to get conversation flowing), if there's something else you want to talk about go right ahead!
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I liked both Juliette's and Scarlett's songs. I'd have to hear them on their own to choose (I get caught up in the scenes when watching).
I sort of like Gunnar and Zoey? Because I want them to be happy BUT I don't want it to mess with Zoey and Scarlett's friendship, which it obviously would. And, yeah, I do miss Scarlett and Gunnar. I hope Gunnar becomes a part of Highway 65.
Ugh, the fake pregnancy. I feel like Peggy is one of those female character types constructed just to be hated. I hope Teddy finds out sooner rather than later because I don't like this storyline.
I think Will made the right choice for him in terms of going with Edgehill. In terms of his sexuality...country is as homophobic as hip hop. If he came out while on Edgehill: they'd dump him. Highway 65? Maybe something else.
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Oh thats a good way to think about it. It would be risky for her to leave Edgehill - she's still young and I don't think she realizes how much work would be involved in running EVERYTHING that comes with being a musician of that size. Whereas Rayna has been around for a few decades and I think she knows exactly what she's doing if she splits from them - but they're in very different places. But Juliette could totally use it to her advantage to press her boss.
I don't want Zoey and Gunner together for the same reason - I don't want anything to get in the way of Zoey and Scarlett's relationship. And while some friends are totally okay with having their friend date an ex, I don't think Scarlett and Gunner are donedone yet; there is still more to their story as a couple so getting in that mess seems like a baaad idea. And ya, I want Gunner to sign with Rayna - I think him and Scarlett are better as a duo anyways (musically)
Ditto everything you said about Peggy. I feel like Peggy is one of those female character types constructed just to be hated Yes. And its sad. And then its sad they've given this poorly constructed trope the Fake Pregnancy Trope plotline! In an otherwise stellar tv show, this is one errrrrr plot line.
I agree about Will's choices to appear straight; it only makes sense considering the business he's in (which is sad). And I think it lends itself to a much more interesting narrative for us to watch - he's not 'in' but he's not out either and we don't know how he personally identifies anyways (I do hope he's bi - there aren't enough bi characters on tv). They'd drop him like a stone if he was out. Or the flip side, he'd be advertised as the Gay Cowboy and be pigeonholed in a different sort of way.
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Also, though I adore Connie Britton, she's just not the best singer, so her as the business head of the label and not really singing anymore would give a way to keep her central and really active without having to give her vocal performances that her voice isn't up to.
I really like Gunnar and Scarlett as a singing/working duo and I miss their songs together and I'd really like Gunnar to start doing something professionally (other than apparently writing songs for Will to 'borrow') and stop being so sad and pouty all the time. Though I liked Gunnar and Scarlett as a couple, I could take or leave them continuing to be a couple but I'd really rather that, if Gunnar's going to get with someone else, it wasn't Scarlett's best friend. That always causes stupid drama and it would make me think less of Zoey.
I honestly don't care at all about Teddy or Peggy. I think fake pregnancies are the tiredest and dumbest of plotlines (because they're not sustainable in the long term) and both Teddy and Peggy don't really add anything to the overall story. Which is too bad, because I think Eric Close is a good actor, but he's wasted in this role. The problem with Teddy from the beginning is that he's so bland and uninteresting from the outset that, other than for security and history reasons, he never seemed like a viable romantic alternative to Deacon.
There's a part of me that wants Deacon and Rayna to be over because I think it's a love story with too much hurt and damage and it would be impossible or really difficult for them to put aside all that history and start a new, better relationship. But the romantic in me thinks that they'll never really be over. I do think that Deacon is--as Teddy said--going to be an important figure in Maddie's life whether he wants to or not.
I understand Will's reasons for going with Edgehill. I think if he WANTS to become a songwriter/artist of that kind, he could, but I think what he mainly wants is to sing and be famous and get that kind of feedback/attention from his fans. In that sense, Edgehill is a better fit. But I think Will also tends to sell himself short. There's a lot of self-loathing going on beneath the big ego. I also understand his reasons for playing straight; we still live in an era where it is still difficult and affects your work and audience to come out as gay or bisexual. It's something you CAN do when you've reached a level of success and name-brand cachet that you can still have a career, but it's exceedingly hard to do and not be marginalized and dismissed when you're first trying to make a name for yourself. I wish it wasn't that way, and I feel like Will is on the edge of exploding under the strain of that pretense, but I get the reasons for it.
Edit: I would really like to see Avery and Juliette become/remain friends. Avery felt a bit like an appendage in the first season and his growing friendship with Juliette feels a lot more organic and better use of his character. I really hope they DON'T get together romantically, though. It would be a disaster for both of them and Juliette's clearly not in a place in her life where she can/will make smart relationship decisions, so it either wouldn't last or it would be incredibly unhealthy. And less interesting than their friendship. Besides, Juliette NEEDS an actual friend.
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As much as I LOVE Deacon and Rayna, it IS time for them to be over. There is waaay too much damage there.
Peggy needs to go the frak away,ugh.
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I'm strongly rooting for Juliette and Avery to become besties. I love that he's more a peer in age, so when he calls her on her behavior, it doesn't have that "scolding" tone as it would when someone like Deacon or her manager do it. She really needs someone to tell her things straight-up who she can actually *hear* it from.
I was disappointed in Will's decision to "borrow" Gunner's song tonight. (And it wasn't clear... did Gunner give in despite being pissed about it, or did Will go ahead and use it, despite Gunner saying no?) Choosing to sign with Edgehill was just business, but undercutting a friend for nothing but a career boost is crossing a line.
I agree that Peggy's "pregnancy" is awful, but sympathize that they need to find some plotline for Teddy despite him not being in the music sphere. (And I'd rather keep him around than not, because I adore Eric Close. :) )
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YES!!
I don't think Connie is the worst singer. I think they had to choose acting over singing chops for casting though - which is why Scarlett was probably the 'free-ist' to cast because they needed both. For Rayna and Juliette they wanted actors with some name recognition. And they can fix singing in post. Though I've enjoyed Connie's singing - its really subtle.
I kinda like Teddy - which I realize puts me in the minority. But maybe once Rayna leaves Edgehill that will give Teddy something to do because she'll ask him to help run her new business (which is a smart move). I think Teddy is a great father (which can never be overstated) and he was a pretty decent husband (for what we've seen). I wouldn't be opposed to Rayna and Teddy reconciling.
ditto everything you said about Will. And I agree with him about going with Edgehill - probably better for what he wants. And Rayna does seem to want "artists".
Juliette so desperately needs a friend. I'm holding out for Rayna and her to become friends at some point. Might be a pipe-dream lol. I know they wont be besties (though I'd love that too), but its great watching them get along.
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As much as I LOVE Deacon and Rayna, it IS time for them to be over. There is waaay too much damage there.
agreed! Its crazy, like all last season it was OMG THOSE TWO - their chemistry just leaped off the screen and we were waiting for it. And then they got together and it was 'omg, you two love each other but look how much damage you've done!'. They are horrible for each other. lol.
Maybe a non-monogamous relationship would work for them.
oh Peggy. Kimberly Williams is such a cool actress (HUGE fan of 10th Kingdom so I'm always rather partial towards her). But the storyline is DUMMMMB
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agreed. But I think its somewhat realistic, which I appreciate. She did have a tube down her throat for weeks. And I like the overall theme that Deacon and Rayna being together in the past was great for their music, but being together now is incredibly detrimental to it. His hand is ruined and she can't sing. So I'm enjoying the 'fallout' so to say.
Good point about Avery being her peer. When it was Deacon it was always a bit weird - parental, but they slept together. So ya. Avery is a much better choice. Just wish she had a girl friend instead; its weird how Juliette always seems to need a man around her to validate certain feelings/choices. But maybe as she grows up she'll start making gal pals.
Agreed, Will's decision to borrow the song without permission was hinky. I did think that maybe it was his attempt of trying to force some success and accolades on Gunner. Like Will has a record deal and he's going to be a big thing and all these powerful people were in a room and I think Will wanted to give some of that back to Gunner, to help him out of his funk and share the success. But it did help Will a lot as well.
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Last season he cheated on Rayna and then asked for a divorce without actually telling her he cheated on her, but making it to be that the reason was that Rayna didn't love him anymore. It was also obvious he has feelings for peggy when he slept with her that first time and it wasn't just frustration about Rayna.
I also really disliked the way they treated her when she told him she was was pregnant. And how he told her he already had a family. Considering he asked Rayna for a divorce right after getting with peggy and this does not fit together. Also I really dislike that they are now making peggy the bad person by having her not tell Ted that she lost the baby.
Then he basically old Rayna's father he always knew that his relationship with Rayna would end so he ended it before she could hurt him. To me it was sort of him telling that it was ok to cheat on her in the first place.
And I have a real problem with characters telling me that other charactera are good people. Like Rayna telling him that he is a good man.
He really rubs me the wrong way though. So I might overinterpret.
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I don't think Connie Britton is the WORST...but subtle isn't really what you want for someone who is supposed to be the queen of country music and there's only so much you can do with autotune.
I don't think Teddy's a bad person, I think he's BORING. And I think you could look to that other Connie Britton show, FNL, to see how to do good father and husband in a way that's still interesting. It's not a question of Teddy being a bad person so much as there doesn't seem to be anything for him to do. If they could tie him more actively into the story, in a way that felt organic and gave him more to do than be the milquetoast good father and (former) husband, I'd be all for it, but in the same way that they scaled back Powers Boothe's role because Rayna's father wasn't that big or interesting a factor, I'd be okay with them doing that to Teddy.
I actually don't want Rayna and Juliette to be friends. Or...well, not at this point. I think they're much more interesting as people who work together and have to get along under those circumstances, but don't actually like each other. Down the line, sure, but not while there's a lot to be gained from each of them going after their ambitions in different ways.